Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Rae (musician)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep content merged to Corinne Bailey Rae and redirect. Notability for own article is not clear from the discussion but notability by association is. (I did a brute force merge, I ask editors with more knowledge of the subject to please help with the cleanup) - Nabla (talk) 15:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jason Rae (musician)

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Non notable musician- fails WP:BLP1E as famous for one thing- dying. Member of a redlink band; may warrant a mention on his wife's page, but certainly not his own. Prod removed without explanation. J Milburn (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

    • Due to convincing evidence and a good rewrite, I am convinced that the subject warrants an article. I am not withdrawing my nomination due to the large number of people favouring deletion, but I now feel it should be kept. J Milburn (talk) 12:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or A case may be able to be made for a brief mention on the article about the band, if the page existed or a new section within Corinne Bailey Rae. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 20:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Famous relative, not notable himself.Be best (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into the Corinne Bailey Rae but keep on the Recent Deaths section. Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, more than just a relative of a notable person, Rae was a noted saxophonist and a member of the band The Haggis Horns. His death, sadly, also adds to his notability. --Philip Stevens (talk) 21:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Do you have any references suggesting his notability as a saxophonist? J Milburn (talk) 21:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
      • According to this BBC report on his death. --Philip Stevens (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
        • that was reporting on his death, not a proper report about the actual band. Unless someone can find an article/review about him (not just the band which some people have been referring to), then this should be deleted. Some famous bands don't even have separate pages for their band members, so I don't see why he should. I'm guessing the sympathy factor is playing a big card here. Feudonym (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete redlink band, delete unless someone can find references per above. Izzy007 Talk 21:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 21:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge I agree with Chandlerjoeyross, add this death to his wife's article. Death does not make someone notable. Raphie (talk) 21:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Philip Stevens. He is notable and his death only adds to his media coverage. Death might not make someone notable, but national (and possibly international) media coverage of his death, in addition to the press attention that he has already received, does. Dan1980 (talk ♦ stalk) 22:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
    • This press coverage that no one is showing us... J Milburn (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I did consider the notability of this person before creating the article and I believe that he meets the standards of a wikipedia article because of three good reasons: 1) The story of his death made national news 2) His band, despite not having a page on wiki, are fairly well known and 3) He was the spouse of Corinne Bailey Rae, a reasonably big musician in both the UK and abroad at the moment.—Jkaharper (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect and compact this information into his wife's article. There's nothing to suggest, beyond current news reports which just repeat the same information, that he has any long term notability standalone, and his group that he is a member of seems NN at the moment unless anyone can prove otherwise. If it came down to it though, I'd go for a weak keep over a delete, but merging seems like the best option.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:18, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge/redirect to wife's article. When the BBC headline is "Bailey Rae's husband dies", that suggests much. --Dhartung | Talk 00:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep if his notability can be established and referenced. Otherwise, Merge into his wife's article, and redirect the page there. Paul20070 (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete notable as spouse of celebrity.- Gilliam (talk) 01:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete/Redirect - keeping an article just because he died, is very silly indeed. His band isn't even considered notable so neither should he. Feudonym (talk) 01:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Corinne Bailey Rae (wife)'s page. No brainer. Pluswhich (talk) 03:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • KeepI think it should stay. It meets standards and it was in the news. And the band was know too. Royalrec
    • Sources about the band? Why is everyone so terrified of providing sources? J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as spouse of celebrity, notability does not transfer. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable person before he died, even less notable now. Lugnuts (talk) 09:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep He did some work with The New Mastersounds[1] and I'm a sucker for lesser known saxophonists. That plus marriage might be enough. See Eric Rosse (not a spouse, lover), Janis Gaye, Claude Williams (musician), and a few others. Still those others might be more notable so I'd be okay with a redirect to his wife, hence weakness.--T. Anthony (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, clearly fails WP:MUSIC. If we must then merge and redirect to Corinne Bailey Rae. Jdcooper (talk) 17:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, worked with some known bands,wife notable. My criteria is if someone comes looking, they ought to find it on wikipedia.Disk space is cheap. If non-notable, then no processing time will be used.Chickenboner (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Generally, we stick to the established notability guidelines rather than to the criteria of someone with a grand total of seven edits. J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Yes, and generally we try not to bite the newcomers either. --Canley (talk) 05:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
        • Apologies, I was somewhat enraged when I made that comment. J Milburn (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, in typical wikipedian fashion, I hear about this musician's death on Sirius Radio and I find the article tagged for deletion. 76.226.204.233 (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
    • So, you're saying that you think it should stay because you've heard of it? Wikipedia is not a news service, we're an encyclopedia. J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Create a Haggis Horns article, merge with this one. Haggis Horns are currently part of Mark Ronson's band. Ronson is quoted as saying they're the "best horn section in the world". They've played at the Brit Awards. links http://www.futureboogie.com/agency/haggis-horns http://www.brits.co.uk/features/articles/764/ User:joy.discovery.invention
  • Merge and redirect to 'Corinne Bailey Rae' and 'Haggis Horns' should the latter appear. If he had married an ordinary lass from Aberdeen I doubt he would be notable in his own right. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 08:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep He's notable! End of story.
    • Got any evidence of that? That argument is generally not respected, and for good reason... J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Please note that the above user is the same one who decided that, rather than actually working to improve the article or arguing in its favour, decided to attack myself and others on the article talk page. J Milburn (talk) 11:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
        • J Milburn, again I ask that you refrain from your personal attacks against me. You must have a vendetta against me and I find that detrimental to the discussion. The fact that this debate has been continuing shows the notability of Jason Rae. Notability is not solely based on mainstream media attention. James1906
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. —Leithp 20:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Normally we encourage articles on the recently dead (see Deaths in 2008 and there are multiple verifiable sources. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The story was on the cover of several newspapers, and in almost all of them yesterday. I live in aberdeen and have met Jason's brother(?) in the past. mrkpwnz (talk) 16:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep So apart from his widely reported death, his marriage, and his band he's not notable. If Rae's notability was asserted by one of those, I'd agree the article should probably be merged or deleted, but three? I agree with the nominator that he fails WP:BLP1E though – but that's because he's dead! We can wikilawyer all day about inherited notability and "one event fame" but where there's seven references for a stub I'm all for erring on the side of keep. (PS. I've added a reference from the BRIT awards and an MSN Music list of albums he has played on). --Canley (talk) 03:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Corinne Bailey Rae. Other than his notable widow, he wasn't notable before he died, and there wasn't anything notable about his death. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Jauerback, not notable on his own. Gran2 22:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep He was a successful studio musician before his death, and had recorded and performed with notable artists. His death has received considerable international coverage, and he's had an extensive obituary written about his life in the Daily Mail. I agree with Canley - successful musician, married to a famous singer, and a widely reported death (with some interesting stories starting to emerge, such as in regard to Amy Winehouse) combine to establish notability. If nothing else, Wikipedia is a logical place for people to look for information about him now that he has died. - Bilby (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Not only does this more references than most articles not under review for deletion, this is clearly a notable topic and person. Considering we want, and continue to have people coming to Wikipedia to be fully informed, this page needs to stay.Asdfaeou. (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep seriously, compared some of the rubbish that merits an entry on this so-called encyclopaedia, this notable musician is of interest to plenty of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.177.219 (talk) 11:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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