Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason's

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Looking at the sources mentioned, none of them are particularly about Jason's, (except #1) they only mention Jason's as a place where Dougherty played. And number 1 is a festival guide, and uses Jason's as a backdrop for Dougherty. If someone could find articles about Jason's, it's possible the article could be brought back. CitiCat ^♫ 05:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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Unsourced article on a former snooker club in suburban Dublin notable only as a one-time haunt of a major criminal and because a snooker champion once played there. That's all of note that anyone has had to say about it in the 2 years since the article was created. I doubt it even merits a mention in any of the related articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete not very notable, not sourced Pilotbob 02:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete- not even the assertion of notability. shame.JJJ999 04:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable, not sourced. PKT 19:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletions. -- Gavin Collins 12:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as I think this establishment has closed down. --Gavin Collins 12:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep (probably), and note that most delete votes should be discounted because they miss the point. The article has as clear a claim of notability as there can be: "Jason's was famous for two things:..." If that's true, it's clearly notable. That means notability over time for an establishment, in business 30 years, that's the launching places for careers of famous people. That passes WP:CORP. Closing down doesn't affect notability - once notable, always notable. We're not a directory of open businesses. So the only issue is whether the claim is true, and sourcing. I see about 500+ google hits and several dozen news stories combining Jason's, Dublin ,and Snooker. It would take more searching but just on the first couple pages I see non-trivial mentions in reliable sources. They're not always substantial write-ups but they're not trivial or passing either. One - [1]. These three you would need to find another way to get the article: [2] [3] [4]. A book, [5]. [6]. That's from a quick look. If anyone wants to do a more exhaustive search, the sources seem to be out there. This is a classic example of a business that seems notable, only the article needs improvement. When in doubt, improve, don't delete. Wikidemo 16:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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