Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Clifton

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 00:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] James Clifton

Autobiographical vanity page. Not notable enough. Girolamo Savonarola 16:52, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as a stupid hoax/vanity. - Bobet 19:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Not a hoax but a piece of history. See http://www.mi.lp.org/history/clifton.htm A number of Libertarians are mentioned in Wikipedia: Carla Howell, Jo Jorgensen, Art Olivier, and so forth. Be fair, don't discriminate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesClifton (talk • contribs)
• Delete. A councilman in a village of less than 800 people is not notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. By contrast, Howell, Jorgensen, and Olivier all received over 300,000 votes in races for U.S. Senator or for Vice President of the United States. --Metropolitan90 02:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Perhaps not but it did make history in one of our most populated, industrious states that has made major contributions to the auto industry and American music. The victory received nationwide coverage (UPI, AP) in addition to being mentioned some state history books used in the classroom. Not notable? Yet a list of female porn stars and a list of erotic actors with entries for every single one from the '70's through the 2000's is notable! What an odd sense of what passes for useful information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesClifton (talk • contribs)
    • Please sign your comments/votes to Articles for Deletion by following them with four tildes like this: ~~~~ You would need to cite sources to back up your claim that the election of a small-town council member made it into state history books which were used in the classroom. --Metropolitan90 05:15, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

My apologies but I have trouble navigating Wikipedia. Unfortunately I cannot cite sources as several members of the Michigan LP told me this about 15 year's ago and I have lost contact with them. I have lived in Illinois and Indiana since winning the election. Since I cannot prove this at this time, I hereby withdraw this statement. I left the LP for the GOP and have now returned after nearly 15 years.

Again, however, if literally thousands of names of male porn stars, female porn stars, gay porn stars, big-bust models and performers, porn stars who appeared in mainstream films, and Japanese female porn stars can have individual entries, I don't understand why a history-making event cannot.

However, it's your decision, I will respect it, and this will be my last comment on the subject. Thanks for the engagement.-- JamesClifton 10:08, 22 November 2005

• Comment:sorry for calling the article 'stupid hoax' before, that was out of line. However, being that it's written by the subject and the external link is from the Libertarian Party of Michigan's page (which would be predisposed to publishing an article like that), it's hard to verify the notability of this. Googling "James Clifton" +libertarian gives 50 results and none of them were related to this event. - Bobet 18:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I said I wouldn't comment anymore but feel it would be rude not to publically accept this person's apology. I understand completely.

See http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/clevenger-clime.html

Headline: THE DAILY TELEGRAM, Adrian, Michigan, March 15, 1988: "Addison seats first Libertarian ever elected in state," written by Dennis Pelham.

The paper was Vol. 178 No. 98.--James Clifton

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

• Weak Keep due to relative uniqueness of a Libertarian candidate winning an election for a post that would probably be too minor to include otherwise. On the other hand, it might be possible to merge into Libertarian Party (United States) (i.e., a brief mention) and redirect. MCB 19:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, as a minor officeholder with no serious claim to notability. The first libertarian mayor, or state legislator, maybe. But not Addison city councilor. —Cleared as filed. 22:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.