Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James 'Jamie' Smith

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Although I personally find User:Alansohn's comparison of Mogadishu and Hiroshima a rather absurd hyperbole, the fact remains that notability from the film is a point unrebutted by deletion supporters. As the soldier's notability stems from Black Hawk Down, a merger there might be appropriate, but that is an issue for the talk page. Xoloz (talk) 15:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James 'Jamie' Smith

James 'Jamie' Smith (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

A casualty of the Battle of Mogadishu (1993). Although this is obviously very sad, I can't see anything in this article that asserts why he is particularly notable as a casualty. WP:MEMORIAL, etc. The medals do not carry inherent notability according to WP:MILHIST guidelines. Leithp 08:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. —Leithp 08:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete I would be inclined to a7 it myself, but this'll work too. Xiong Chiamiov ::contact:: ^help! 09:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete This soldier is not notable - the only claim to notability is that he died during a mildly famous battle. The circumstances of his death could be briefly included (with a citation) in Battle of Mogadishu (1993) if they're not already there. --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I've just noticed that several other articles on non-notable US fatalities of this battle have been created - can Clifton "Elvis" Wolcott and Donovan Briley be added to this nomination? --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Per Nick Dowling. He is, unfortunatly, not going to get anymore notable. Best to include him in the battle article Narson (talk) 10:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. STORMTRACKER 94 12:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable Lordjeff06 (talk) 12:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, Winner of one of the country's highest honors, a casualty in a highly publicized military operation and portrayed in a major motion picture. Spot87 (talk) 04:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, no assertion of notability. ALR (talk) 13:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't understand why Smith in particular has to be deleted considering that almost every soldier that participated in the battle have a wiki entry.Dibol (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The question isn't whether other articles that may or may not fail notability guidelines exist, but whether this one passes and whether it will ever be more than a permanent stub. Narson (talk) 20:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Article provides reliable and verifiable sources about the subject, who was also deemed sufficiently notable for inclusion in a major motion picture, meaning that he actually did get more notable after his death. The utterly foolish statement that "he died during a mildly famous battle" is like calling Hiroshima the site of a mildly famous explosion. Alansohn (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.