Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jalal Zolfonun (Zoufonoun)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 01:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jalal Zolfonun (Zoufonoun)

Non notable musician. Just 562 Google hits, and books rank on Amazon in the several hundred thousands. Rory096 03:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep: The number of Google hits does not necessarily make one a notable musician. Bach's music had become fish wrapping paper because he lived a quiet life of non-self promotion and his music had fallen out of fashion, only to be saved by a few other musicians who understood his contributions. At that time, his pagerank on google would have been zero, too! This kind of "popularity" is what kills fine arts and keeps Britney Spears at the top - how sad! Jalal Zolfonun is undeniably one of the most important Iranian (and world) musicians today and without question deserves a page and then some here. Besides, if a page on "setar" or "traditional persian music" will remain on wikipedia, one cannot discuss those without discussing him. If you don't believe this, look at this link [1] for a CD containing the century's most important setar players listing him as one of less than a dozen. Azoolander 04:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: if some rancid punk band in Massachussets is worth an article, then so is this guy. If he's big all over Iran (and not just in three streets in Western Shiraz), then that's noteworthy. Besides, I like the photo. --die Baumfabrik 04:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Even noted in New York times: article on his son. Also see this review on his CD and since you mention it, his reviews on Amazon for the same CD.
• Keep. He may not have that much of an Internet presence, but it's rather silly to straightforwardly use raw Google rankings as a notability guide for people in non-Western countries, and from the number and variety of sites referring to him (in various spellings), I am convinced he is genuinely famous. The article should be cleaned up a bit, though: it should be at one of Jalal Zolfonun, Jalal Zolfonoun, or Jalal Zoufonoun, with the others as redirects. --Saforrest 05:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete Notability exists, but not enough to qualify for an article. The arguments presented by Azoolander (who, by the way, already put down "Keep" twice) and Baumfabrik are terrible arguments. An NY Times article on somebody's son does not make the father notable, and just because one band has a page doesn't mean another should. Zolfonun seems like he could be important to a small group of people, but that group is very, very small. In addition, if the article is kept, the page should be moved to just one name. And of course, if it's kept, the article needs to be cleaned up quite a bit. -- Kicking222 05:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Per Baumfabrik --SeanMcG 06:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep: Not as notable in America but presence is felt in Middle East -- Patman2648 06:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but move to better title and make appropriate redirects. Seems notable from how he is talked about on Iranian English-language websites, and it seems that his father Habib, whose instrument is displayed in a museum in Iran[2], may also be noable enough for an article. We have articles on subgenre death metal bands who are almost certainly much less notable than this guy. Also please review the section "Foreign languages and non-Latin scripts" at the Wikipedia:Search engine test page. (And we need his name written in Persian in the article.) u p p l a n d 08:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per azoolander, but rename per saforrest. Deleting would only worsen the systematic bias of WP. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 09:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable. ILovEPlankton 13:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per Saforrest... Any Amazon.com sales make notable IMHO. -NickSentowski 19:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Saforrest. JoshuaZ 20:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep quite notable. --Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 23:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (follow up to my, azoolander, comments above):Here is more supporting info, under different spelling of "zolfonoon" pointing out that he is the foremost setar player in the world - again, very notable. Incidently, several hundred additional Google hits under this particular spelling of this name, if it matters.
• Comment definitely needs to be at least moved, because the title is horribly confusing as it stands M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.