Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jainism and Christianity

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. SushiGeek 07:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jainism and Christianity

I propose Delete on Jainism and Christianity (and Jainism and Judaism and Jainism and world religions).

Sorry for length of my proposal but there is some history to wade through!

There are also articles started by same original author on Jainism and Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and Jainism and Islam. I am not proposing deletion of these 4. The first 3 are going somewhere, and I've attempted a rewrite as a stub on the Islam artilce. We'll see what happens.

The Judaism article previously proposed for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jainism and Judaism). 7 votes - general consensus was that the topic was appropriate, that the original article was weak, and that the best way to proceed would be merging into a Jainism and world religions article. The Judaism article was ProDed 6 months later after no activity. I requested undeletion review (WP:DRV on April 6) - wish I hadn't!

Currently both the Christianity and Judaism are non-encyclopedic - essentially short essays (original research) by the original author trying to find parallels between the religions. Vegetarianism and Pacifism for Christianity. For Judaism a comparison between the sociology of Jains and Jews - small religions, hard working, family centred - with the only reference a single WSJ articles on the Amsterdam diamond markets.

Until the deletion of the Judaism article through the ProD process neither article was showing no signs of activity. I volunteered to combine the articles - which was the consensus from the origianl AfD discussion.

However, I've changed my mind. I don't think that the current material warrants a merge. My own efforts to find new materials has gone nowhere. The web has yielded little beyond a few notices of inter-faith dialogue meetings and Fundamentalist Christian critiques of Jainism. Given previous lack of activity and unsatisfactory current articles, then delete. If someone later wants to start again with stronger articles then fantastic! Cje 11:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, all the nom is saying is that the article is bad. If those other articles exist, why not this one? One could merge all of the Jainism and . . . into one big article called Comparisons and contrasts between Jainism and other worst religions. But why delete if the other articles exist? --Deville (Talk) 15:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment from nominator. I started off with the view that "relation of Jainism to other religions is an important topic, why was the Judaism article ever deleted?" Now I am saying that not only are the two articles bad, but they are going nowhere after several months. My strong preference would be to delete them until someone has the commitment and knowledge to create good articles. If the articles survive this AfD then (on quality grounds) they will need to be edited down to sub-stubs until someone can provide encylopedic content. Cje 07:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

If only we could force the keep contingent sit down and actually turn these into proper articles, eh? Jainism has nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism or Christianity IMHO... - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 14:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

On your first point - yes, I started as "keep", tried and repented! I suspect there might be some interesting contacts between Jainism and Saint Thomas Christians , but this is gut feel - no evidence. Cje 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

*Keep. I tend to agree that these articles could probably all be merged togther, however the content should stay. Tombride 16:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I'm not sure what I was thinking before. This is an essay. Tombride 20:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Pointless comparison of two unrelated religions. It might be an approriate section in the non-existent "Parallels between world religions", but this is not a useful article otherwise. Also unsourced and at least somewhat POV to draw the connections at all; probably qualifies as original research. —Cuiviénen, Saturday, 8 April 2006 @ 16:46 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - awful awful article. No citations, original research, 'some Christians are vegetarians' like Janists?? Yes, and some have red hair too! - Total rubbish. Seriously, no article should exist here for now - and perhaps ever. Unless it can reference academic comparisons - or the opinion of some notable scholars as to similarities (and we have no evidence at the moment that this is possible) - it will by definition be original research, and a 'point-of-view' comparison of what is deemed (by whom?) essential to both religions and then deemed similar or dissimilar (by whom?). --Doc ^ask? 22:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP This article: This article shows the comparison of two wonderful faiths that have had greatly influence the the world. What is wrong with telling the truth. Remember the truth always hurts and is very power for it has made up this universe. Remember truth prevails. Thus Jainism is the creator [ some what of the various forms of the faiths that follow the bible]. Its a supreme religion in the sense it is the oldesr religion out there still being preach everyday. Jainist are proud of this. If your religion was mention here and it derived from Jainism, - so what! At least your not worshipping the devil! So keep this article for it contains truth, honesty, and history.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.83.5.224 (talk • contribs) .
  • No kidding! Really? I've seen the light and I'm switching. Where do I sign up for Jainism? I'd accuse you of violating WP:PROSELYTIZE, but unfortunately we don't have one like that. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 20:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unencyclopedic: original research and POV essay. MCB 06:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both, pure POV/OR. Subjects are encyclopedic, but only with actual encyclopedic content. Sandstein 07:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a separate article, merge content that can be verifiably cited into main Jainism article; or combine with other comparative "Jainism and..." articles. --Leflyman^Talk 03:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete on both. I prodded J&Judaism last month. The articles are OR and are of no encyclopedic value. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 05:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
  • On a side note, all these article are POV-bait, just waiting to serve as somebody's soapbox. We don't need any more of that here. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 06:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Jainism or delete - having an article on every possible combination of two religions seems unuseful, in particular minor religions. Stifle (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

You don't like my Sufi Islam and Wiccanism article?  :P Tombride 08:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per deville. Blink484 22:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.