Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacob Jaygbay, Jr.
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus to delete, defaulting to keep. Neil ☎ 15:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jacob Jaygbay, Jr.
speedy declined. Looking for Notability - not demonstrated yet. Toddstreat1 05:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I agree with you that notability has not yet been demonstrated in the article, but a Google search turns up a surprising number of sources indicating notability. While I understand that articles in AfD need to be judged based on their current quality, I'd prefer to see this article expanded beyond its current status rather than scrapped completely. --jonny-mt(t)(c) 05:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Once notability is established, the issue becomes a clean-up issue and not a deletion issue. The google search seems to indicate that he passes the basic notability tests for academics and professors, so I am inclined to vote keep on this one. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 06:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. With WP:CSB well in mind, I still feel an obligation to judge an academic by their output, and he has about two citations in Google Scholar both from the 1990s, neither with great citation although one has been republished a couple of times (Self-censorship in African scholarship and scholarly publishing). --Dhartung | Talk 23:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Since when have we determined that Google Scholar is the GO TO CITATION INDEX for any meaningful scholarship? How about reviewing the literature of a sample of the work in African scholarly publishing to begin your review. Some of 'my' work, for example, are being used as reading material for graduate coursework in Scientific Communications at the British Columbia University in Canada. Several dissertations have been based on the body of work that I have contributed. This is less about me, than it is about scholarship and access, and importantly the process of legitimizing 'Third World' scholarship. There are many more references and I will be the first to admit that a better job should have been done with the nomination.
--Jaygbay|Talk —Preceding comment was added at 00:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak delete, Im leaning towards delete for the same reason as Dhartung. I have added some details to the article, but I cant find a single library that holds the periodical OCLC 40930368, nor can I find what else his publishing company has output. This says he is the Senior Assistant Editor with the Council for the Development of Social Science Research in Africa (CODESRIA) but the councils site doesnt say that[1]. John Vandenberg 01:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep He is an important worker in an extremely small field. [2] There is very little work on the general topic of scholarly publishing in Africa, and he seems to be the leading figure. The amount of work would not really be enough for notability in most other subjects. DGG (talk) 03:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. It would be good to have more Wikipedia coverage of scholarly activities in Africa. However, the fact that the series Jaygbay publishes is not found in any libraries known to Worldcat suggests that his influence is limited. A Google search can't even figure out for sure where he is currently located; my best guess is in Virginia, in a non-academic position. It will be difficult to expand this article, given the limitations of the sources. The African institution that John V. mentioned above, CODESRIA, may deserve an article. EdJohnston 14:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep- Ed Johnston's argument that the publications are not in libraries is bogus: Journal of Scholalrly Publishing by Univereity of Toronto, or LOGOS one of the major journals in the book world are widely distributed not only in the West but all across the world. Let's refrain from baseless valuations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.165.82.2 (talk • contribs)
- Comment: I am stung by your use of the word bogus, which suggests that you didn't read carefully. My comment was about the series that Jaygbay publishes for which my statement is correct. Please see John Vandenberg's comment above about the Review of African Periodical Articles, which he notes that Worldcat does not show in any library catalogs in their system (click on the link to see the Worldcat search). If you are Jacob Jaygbay, please identify yourself so we can have a more focused conversation. Note that anonymous editors may not necessarily be as influential in AfD discussions as people who identify themselves in some way. Even anonymous editors ought to sign their comments using ~~~~ before pressing 'Save page'. EdJohnston 18:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment, if you are Jaygbay, we will be more than willing to investigate any information you can provide, whether it be about yourself, organisations in your topical area, or journals you are involved in. I was only able to find Review of African Periodical Articles, but I couldnt verify when it started and if it is still being published. More information is required. If you have been a part of the establishment or running of other journals, that may not be indexed or that I and others have missed, we will be happy to take that on board in this evaluation process. Please do not feel like this discussion is an evaluation of the person Jaygbay -- it is an evaluation on how accurately we can write a biographical sketch of Jaygbay. So far, we havent been able to find a lot of facts that we can verify, but there are 100s of articles that are rushed through this deletion process per day and so often articles are deleted when perhaps an article should have existed if we had taken more time to research the subject. John Vandenberg 18:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
