Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jackiey Budden

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, though there seems to be some support to revisit this at a later date. Luna Santin 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jackiey Budden

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She's a complete nobody. Other than being the mother of Jade Goody, a gameshow contestant, she is of little note. imho delete Jackiey_Budden and redirect it to the daughter.. AfD made by User:Trenwith.

• Keep - The fact that she made national news suggests notability. ::mikmt 20:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• 'Disagree' making the news for being on TV is hardly notable. Most past Big Brother contestants have their pages axed and linked to the series. Trenwith 20:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Non-notable – only famous through her daughter's fame. Possibly redirect and merge into Jade Goody. --Majorly 20:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment And yet you created THIS article. Cheadle Hulme High School Triangle e 21:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, that's fabulous. Go and AfD it then, again, and look through all the other articles I started and see if any of them can be. What I created doesn't matter, so please don't mention it. --Majorly 22:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't know what you mean by "again". I didn't AfD it in the first place! I was highlighting the double standards that you have employed. I can't believe that we're giving wikipedia pages to a completely non-notable school! Triangle e 00:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I mean it was nominated before. Go ahead and AfD it if you're so concerned, I don't care. --Majorly 00:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• "Fame is not the same as notability". Merge and redirect to Jade Goody. Sam Blacketer 20:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Am I write in thinking that you wrote this article? Edwin Taylor. If so, I have no idea how you can make comments about Jackiey's notablity over some politician of absolutely little notablilty whatsoever. Triangle e 21:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Can I politely encourage you to play the ball and not the man? Yes, I wrote about Edwin Taylor. He is notable as a Member of Parliament (all Members of Parliament are considered notable). The question I asked myself was whether Jackiey Budden has done something which makes her notable. She is not notable merely for being the mother of a notable person. She is not notable for her appearance in a television series. She is not notable for appearing in the newspapers quite often. I cannot find any reason why she is notable. If you can find one, then I will change my vote. Sam Blacketer 22:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Triangle E, please confine your comments to the article before us. This is verging on a violation of WP:POINT. Sam Blacketer is not required to answer to the notability of other articles, and you should not be deamnding that he do so. --Dhartung | Talk 05:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• A statement such as "all Members of Parliament are considered notable" is about as absurd as someone claiming that all Big Brother contestants are. Something that I would not advocate myself. However, in line with people such as Makosi, Nikki Grahame and Jon Tickle all having their own pages due to having done other stuff outside of the Big Brother house, Jackiey should ALSO have her own webpage for exactly the same reasons. Triangle e 00:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps it is absurd to say all MPs are notable, but it is Wikipedia policy: see Wikipedia:Notability (people) where it says that "members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature" is included in the class of notable people. In any case it is irrelevant - see the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS#What about article x? page! I would distinguish Jackiey Budden from the three examples you cite as they all have media careers developed independently after their appearance in Big Brother. Jackiey Budden has only a few scattered appearances on television before. If she becomes a more important personality, then we can reconsider, but based on what we know now, she is not notable for an entry in an encyclopaedia. Sam Blacketer 00:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep She is notable in her own right. We have an article on Makosi, for example. Less of the intellectual snobbery, please. Triangle e 21:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Makosi has managed a (sort of) career in the media, though her article is far to large imho. It's not snobbery - if there was an article for everyone who had ever been on TV game shows, it would all get silly. I was on a TV quiz once, and had my pictures in a few papers because of being in quiz teams - I'm not notable though. btw- Triangle E - you seem to be the only one making a serious case for the article to stay- most of the Keep comments are yours. Trenwith 17:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
    • 1. Jackiey's media appearances are about as numerous and notable as Makosi's. 2. I am NOT advocating that every gameshow contestant should get their own wikipedia page, I am saying that THIS wikipedia page satisfies guidelines for notability. 3. The votes to keep this article are not predominantly mine - I made one vote to keep the article and the others were comments highlighting the ridiculous nature of the votes for deletion. 4. I wrote the original article way back when and have put a lot of effort into it - of course my case for it staying would be stronger than that of the others. Triangle e 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Mild keep It looks like she's been a contestant or notable guest on multiple reality shows. If she had only appeared on one show, I might suggest simply redirecting to that show. But as is we have someone that has appeared on multiple television series and no one article to place that information in. Maintaining this article seems to be the best way to preserve the information for anyone interested. Dugwiki 22:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I disagree - the article suggests one game show, with most other TV appearances being on her daughter's series. Trenwith 17:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Dugwiki. Also, merging with Jade Goody is stupid since that article is about Jade Goody, not Jackiey Budden. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • The above comment shows you are not familiar with the subject. Jackiey is Jade's mother. Jade got famous on a UK Gameshow (Big Brother). Jackiey is sort-of known because of the daughter and because she too, was on the same game show. The vast majority of people who are on that game show had their articles deleted and redirected to Big Brother once they left, as apart from being on TV, they had achieved nothing of note. The same applies to Ms Budden. Trenwith 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Although I am unable to speak for him personally, with all the edits that AnemoneProj has done to the Big Brother pages over the last few series, I can assure you that he is very familiar with the subkect matter. Since I have been following how wikipedia operates with regards to BB - the articles for each individual contestant were redirected to the BB page straight away and were only given their OWN pages if they did something notable outside the house - something that Jackiey has already done. Triangle e 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Though the article is in poor shape (for instance, where's the autobiography she was promoting?), there is an arguable claim to notability. Subject is involved in a significant row involving Shilpa Shetty; it's not clear at this point whether this will turn out to be a nine-day wonder, or something with lasting ramifications. My WP:CRYSTALBALL is cloudy; until things become clearer, I would advocate keep, but revisit in a month. Eludium-q36 18:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • sensible suggestion Trenwith 19:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• The information could be merged into the Celebrity Big Brother 2007 article. If not, keep.--HisSpaceResearch 04:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Mild delete, possibly merge with either Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK) or Jade Goody. According to WP:NN, "[n]otability is generally permanent", and I doubt the subject will be notable in her own right in a year's time. And Wikipedia is not a directory. Railwayman 15:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK), the paragraph devoted to her there is already far more than she warrants. Would you expect to see this in an encyclopedia? I think not. It hardly seems appropriate for an encyclopedia to be perpetuating the cult of celebrity. She'll be forgotten in a month. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.136.177.81 (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
• Strong Keep - I agree that this woman is a nobody and is quite possibly the most annoying person I've ever seen on TV. However, there are articles on a plethora of extremely obscure musical artists that very few people will ever have heard of, and they are not up for deletion. This woman has appeared on Big Brother and has instantly become known to several million people. That alone should be enough to warrant the inclusion of this article, not to mention the infamy she will gain from her part in the whole racism row. --Ukdan999 16:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - She may have started out as just 'Jade's mum', but she has more recently developed minor celebrity status in her own right, which none of the other BB parents have. Witness an increasing number of TV and magazine appearances. She is also an interesting character, who could probably do with a fuller article than has so far been written. Ray Ellis 18:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I think her involvement in her own right in reality TV shows leads to her notability. -- Roleplayer 20:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Reluctant keep. Unfortunately her behaviour on Celebrity Big Brother has made her notable. Axl 20:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, increasingly infamous. --Turbothy 00:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, she is notable not only for her appearance on CBBUK5 but also because she provided entertainment that singled her out from the crowd - she is also involved in the racism debacle with Shilpa Shetty. Bigdaddyhame 00:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • disagree the above strengthens the cae to delete and redirect to the show's page. Only if she goes onto have a worthwhile career, as others have suggested, would this article be useful. Trenwith 13:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination William Avery 01:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK). She is only notable in the capacity of having been a contestant on that show, so a mention there should be enough. Jon Harald Søby 09:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to her daughter's page. I don't care if media brought up that she's a lesbian and only has one functioning arm, that doesn't make her notable. Mackan 10:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to her daughter's page. she hasn't met any notability criteria- people like jon tickle and nikki grahame have pages because they've gone on and done other work, presenting shows etc. jackiey has never done a day's work in her life, from what i can see. she's mildy famous at the moment- in a month or so it will pass. she does not warrant her own article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.47.121 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 20 January 2007
• Delete and redirect to her daughter's page. She hasn't met any notability criteria. Rgds, - Trident13 17:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect' the relevant bits with Jade Goody - Seems to me that she has just made various one-off appearances on television shows, which doesnt make her notable. Neither does her participation in Big Brother apparently. All BB contestants make many appearances on televison after the series ends, but they are not allowed pages merely for this reason so I don't see why Jackiey is any different.Gungadin 17:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep- I had heard of her more than some of the other contestants who have their own page. Plus she only has one arm. Astrotrain 11:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • What on earth has her number of arms have to do with her notability? Jon Harald Søby 19:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Another contributor to this debate that has not read the article? She has one functioning arm, but both arms are still attached to her body. Trenwith 20:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge, BUT do not delete. She is now definately more popular(or infamous)than many other BB contestants. Preetikapoor0 04:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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