Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Józef Kloze

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Bucketsofg 19:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Józef Kloze

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Being the father of a current footballer does not warrant an article. non notable player. Probably more suitable for wikibios where non notable people can be listed if this is at all necessary PrincessBrat 13:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Then why has this article not been suitbly expanded with info? Also the link you gave for AJ Auxerre does not even mention him in the notable players list! --PrincessBrat 16:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
You don't have to be in some kind of "best sportsmen ever" list to be notable. WP:BIO clearly states:

Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming and tennis. And that's enough for inclusion. MaxSem 18:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

  • WP:BIO also says that it is only a guideline, and should not be used an absolute test of notability; each article should stand or fall on its own merits. Also note The following criteria make it likely that sufficient reliable information is available about a given person. People who satisfy at least one of these criteria may merit their own Wikipedia articles, as there is likely to be a good deal of verifiable information available about them and a good deal of public interest in them.
  1. There is very little interest in this article, as can be seen from the amount of info on it. Why should there be articles in this site that are nothign more than one liners?
  2. Also you ignored my point about the club you linked in your first reply not having this player mentioned once in it.
  3. A google search on this player doesnt throw much up either.
  4. Also can you tell me what would you learn from reading the article currently up for deletion - which is what an encyclopedia is all about? --PrincessBrat 20:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
1) If an article is short - it should be expanded, not deleted. 2) Why article on club must be turned into list of its notable players? 3) Amount of Google hits IS NOT indicator of notabilty. 4) You shouldn't think that only people worth including are G8 leaders and superstars who get $20M for film/sports season. MaxSem 13:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
the fourth point you fail to argue well, what eduaction do we get from this article? Nothing at all! --PrincessBrat 20:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - You delete this and you have to delete three quarters of the football biography pages on wikipedia.--Hack 00:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Keep' -- that is an essay, the opinion of its author. In reality, the precedent of what WP does contain is relevant--it represents the prior decisions of a general topic and prevents us from erratic inclusion. WP:BIo gives the standard that has been and remains accepted for athletes. We can of course change the standard, and that can be argued there. DGG 05:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
This guy has played professional football at elite level in two countries - how is that not notable? It is not as if we are dealing with someone who was a squad player. The fact that it is a short article does not reflect a lack of notability.--Hack 02:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 08:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Played top-flight football in two countries, therefore clearly notable. Suggestion that it should be deleted because he isn't highlighted on the Auxerre article as one of their all-time greats is clearly nonsense. ChrisTheDude 08:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep playing for AJ Auxerre makes him notable in my book. Article needs references and expansion but these are not grounds for deletion. Qwghlm 09:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per ChrisTheDude HornetMike 12:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep if the part about AJ Auxerre is true. Article should be sourced. Punkmorten 15:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I've sourced that bit for starters...... ChrisTheDude 15:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • What seems to be missing on all this is your all saying this person is notable, then why is the article so short. Surely there should be info to populate this article with if he is so brilliant? All your arguements to keep seem to be flying against the fact that, the article is nothign more than one short line. If he played top flight football in two countries why isnt this stated? If someone was gonna improve it it wudnt get nominated fo rdeletion would it? --PrincessBrat 20:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Right in the article: "Kloze played professionally for AJ Auxerre [1] in France and Odra Opole in Poland" that is son is N in the same sport is interesting but not relevant for notability. He qualifies in his own right (I assume from the discussion that the teams mentioned qualify--I admit i do not know this myself--if they dont, then he is not notable).DGG 22:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The fact that nobody has yet seen fit to expand an article on a notable person is not a reason to delete their article.... ChrisTheDude 22:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep given that this is a player who meets WP:BIO - he has had a notable career and an article carrying details of that career is useful, even if at present this is only a stub. Robotforaday 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as per everyone else. He is certainly a noteable footballer according to that briefest of biographies. All stubs need expanding. Generally I find it easier to do that than create an AfD. aLii 12:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.