Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Shokoloff

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan Shokoloff

Almost certainly hoax. No Google hit on neither English or Russian name (there is unrelated Russian emigre composer Ivan Sokolov, living in France, the Soviet composer of such prominence that he influenced Stravinsky as claimed in [1] would certainly be known at least to the Russian section of Internet. Both book references appear to be bogus abakharev 00:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete, hoax. Thanks Alex for starting this page (I was going to do it later tonight). Zero google, and utterly fails WP:Verifiability. There's no way an obscure Russian composer, just demobilised after WWII, unpublished in the west, could have influenced Babbitt's seminal 1946 work in total serialism (Three Compositions for Piano) -- or been plagiarised by him. Oh, and there is not a single hit on his name in the monumental New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Antandrus (talk) 00:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:V. I don't know if this is a total hoax, or just a non-notable person whose importance is being inflated. Sometimes there are issues with how Russian names are rendered in English, and it's possible he might show up somewhere under a different spelling. Clearly he's not either of the two notable Ivan Sokolovs, the Russian pianist/composer born 1960 or the Bosnian/Dutch chess master born 1968. Fan1967 00:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. The second reference is an uncorrected cut-and-paste job from the online catalog of the Library of Congress about Russian censorship in the 1860-1870s. I guess somebody has been listening to too much P. D. Q. Bach lately :) Ahasuerus 00:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete {{hoax}}  (aeropagitica)  01:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, hoax. --Terence Ong 03:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete not a plausible Russian last name, anyway. - the.crazy.russian (T) (C) (E) 03:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as hoax --TBC??? ??? ??? 04:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 04:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just do it. KNewman 09:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per nom. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 11:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment for closing admin: note that a duplicate of this article also exists at Shokoloff. Tying it to this AfD now. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 11:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.