Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Koumaev

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. There was a strong lobby for merge and to merge other characters in the programme as well, but I have reservations about this as the competition results have not yet been announced. Merge can anyway be addressed without AfD. This article, if not merged, may well be suitable for AfD some time in the future, when the competition fever has diminished. Tyrenius 23:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan Koumaev

Not-notable enough. abakharev 08:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Almost all other participants in this show, whatever it is, have their page on WP. Either we merge them all into one page (why not), or we delete them all, but deleting just this one and keeping others is kinda weird. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 09:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge the lot Dlyons493 Talk 12:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge all Phr (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge all—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge all. Very unnotable. — mark ✎ 07:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge all into a single article. Yamaguchi先生 23:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Koumaev is currently a top-6 finalist in a show that has only three more weeks to run. The show is also currently the #1 rated show for the Summer of 2006. He's definitely notable now, so the article should be kept. We should table the AfD for now, and if necessary can revisit the issue in a month, after the season ends. --Elonka 03:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Merge this one. Some of the contestants are clearly deserving of their own articles (see Benji Schwimmer, Heidi Groskreutz, multi-year U.S. National Swing Dance Champions). But as for Koumaev, I agree that there's not enough to justify an individual article at this time. I recommend having a one paragraph bio for each contestant on the main program page, and then "for more details, see" links to the individual contestants who are independently notable (such as Schwimmer). --Elonka 18:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious merge-Bri 23:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge this one Dmitry Chaplin definitely deserves to have his own page. DJAlik 02:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Majority of contestants could fit into one page, given they've done almost nothing of note. People who have won or placed very highly in major tournaments, it can be argued, have done something noteworthy and are deserving of some measure. But most of these people are 15-minute celebrities and not something you'd EVER find in Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book. --ThatBajoranGuy 07:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep. Arguments on whether content would appear in paper encyclopedias are frankly irrelevant. It would be inconsistent to delete this entry and not delete the entries of other finalists. Moreover, as a top six contestant in the show, there is even less logic in deleting his entry before the show's completion. It should be noted, that merging all the articles is not an option without having this same discussion for each of the other finalists, and such a move would be blocked for those contestants like Schwimmer who have lengthier résumés. Rcharman 01:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep. There seems no logical reason to delete the artice. Is it taking up unecessary space the Wikipedia does not have? It is a good entry that helps impart information on it's subject; just as any good article in an encyclopedia would. Arguments that this would not appear in paper encyclopedias are irrelavent because they have different concerns such as space and printing costs. If that was a valid argument, then all articles about all actors would have to be removed, all articles about schools and universities would have to be removed, all articles about singers would have to be removed, all articles about plays and movies would have to be removed, etc. This is not a paper encyclopedia so deletion would be quite unjustified.

Diemunkiesdie 00:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• keep please the person is notable article and was expanded Yuckfoo 22:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep -- he's on the verge of NN, but I've seen much less notable subjects keep their articles. -Quasipalm 03:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, and split back if Ivan wins. --Gray Porpoise 18:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge conditionally to So You Think You Can Dance, then split again if he wins. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 19:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

FYI, I did some research and have considerably expanded the article with additional information and references. --Elonka 23:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.