Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan 'Doc' Holiday

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 06:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan 'Doc' Holiday

Ivan 'Doc' Holiday (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Subject does not appear to be at all notable. Only links are a few nn websites. The Evil Spartan 17:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Remember that COI is not cause for deletion.
  • Weak Keep for now Notability is clearly asserted in the first sentence, and throughout the rest of the article. The article was only created today, so if we're not happy with the references, tag it with verify (as well as tagging it with autobiography and peacock), and let somebody fix it. If they don't fix it, then send it here. Delete I should have looked at the history more carefully. If author removed notability tag w/out addressing it, then due process has happened. Capmango 19:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment this so called book, I can't find anywhere. It's not listed on Amazon, and due to the author of the article being the subject in question, it suffers from WP:POV, and does not have any WP:RS. Where the is notability? I don't see any... --sumnjim talk with me·changes 20:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Book appears to be self-published and only available on his web site. He's not claiming to be notable as an author, he's claiming to be notable as a bouncer. The process, as I understand it, if an article asserts notability but lacks sources, is to tag the article with verify. I do not have significant experience in the bouncer subculture, so I don't even pretend to know what makes a bouncer notable. Capmango 20:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • As I said on the other discussion: you must be kidding me. Notability asserted, mind you, is simply a qualification for not being speedy deleted - but AFD is different. The Evil Spartan 20:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this guy looks like much more of a long shot for notability than our hymn writer. Capmango 21:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I get 7 Google hits for "Ivan 'Doc' Holiday", one with Arsenault included, and 40 for the book. No Google News or Archive hits. Unless my Google-fu is failing me, I can't see the "recognized worldwide" bit being backed up whatsoever. Delete unless someone can come up with good sources to indicate notability. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
On the one hand, WP:GHITS. But on the other, you're probably right. Capmango 21:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Before this AFD, I tagged the article with a {{notability}} tag, which the author removed (along with references requested tags added by somebody else) without comment and without the addition of any additional information except a link to his website. I came up with the same results as the above comments when I tried to search for the book. If the subject matter is indeed notable, the article author (judging by the author's nickname I presume it is the same person) has a few days more to come up with some substantiation of the "notable worldwide" claim. Neil916 (Talk) 00:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
From Ivan 'Doc' Holiday : I believe that I am a point of discussion. My book the bouncer's Bible is self published and used to sell on the Barnes and noble website till B&N refused to send me money due. If you follow the links http://www.clubsystemsinternational.com/year_archive.html/2002/apr02/holiday.htm

there you will find an article written on me in 2002. I have sold 5000 copies of my book and DVD worldwide. If you would like, I can email you copies of reviews from diffrent sources. If you like I will send you a copy of my DVD & Book for your review. If there is any dispute regarding my credintials, I will gladly email a copy to you. If you would like I can have MENSA verify my membership. I though that since Geoff Thompson was listed here I would join as well. If a person has his book and DVD sold from 10 diffrent countries on earth, this would be considered "worldwide" or damm close. Do you seriously believe that a person with my reputation would put his shit on the street without being able to back it up? As I told Barnes & Nobles, I am not going to have my life story/book tossed in some 99cent bargain bin...If you wish to delete me that is fine I don't want to offend anyone...if you want verifiable sources just email me at "holiday888@yahoo.com" and I will email the information to you. thank you. Ivan Doc Holiday

  • Delete. Wow. Talk about vanity. Jauerback 14:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Hey Doc, just want to let you know, that being a member of MENSA does not make you notable. Yes, there are famous members of mensa, but being a MENSA member does not make you notable. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 12:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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