Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/It's My Body

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-30 05:15Z

[edit] It's My Body

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Nomination for deletion Ah, the joys of Wikipedia:Random_page_patrol in turning up such nuggets (end plug). See the Votes for Deletion discussion on this 1985 porno flick from way waaay back in February 2004[1], which revolved around whether Wikipedia is or is not "Pornopedia" (plus some confusion about how to go about verifying the article) and ended in an apparent keep consensus. But let's get back to today and also the nascent guidelines on film notability[2]. How is this film encyclopedically notable? Well, there is a claim that at the time of its international release it was controversial and banned in several countries with significant press coverage (it's not clear why this film in particular is supposed to have been so much more controversial (the underwear sucking? the orgy scene?) than the 1000s of other porn films around). I can't find sources to confirm the controversy. There are 2 hits in the Factiva news database for this title - news stories from July 1986 about the revelation that Traci Lords was underage in a number of films, including this one (which gets a very passing mention). Fails WP:V for claims of encyclopedic notability. Bwithh 07:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. Yet another routine porn movie. Wikipedia is not the porn industry's free billboard. Anthony Appleyard 07:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete unless notability and verifiability established. MER-C 08:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - just another porn movie, with nothing notable about it. Jayden54 22:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I see that notability is claimed, but no sources to back this notability up, so still delete unless some reliable sources are added to show notability. Jayden54 22:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Neutral. Although I'm typically inclined to delete adult films, as very few of the thousands of them have any features at all that cna remotely assert notability (or even differentiation from the pack), this appears to have two factors in its favor. First, Traci Lords is not a random adult performer, but one of the most recognized names in the recent industry, in part due to the controversy around her age (which is itself germane to this article) and in part because she made a successful transition to mainstream acting. Furthermore, if this movie did indeed generate sufficient controversy to be banned in parts of Europe (other than where its content would generate an auto-ban, as in the UK), that would contribute to notability as well. I cannot imagine that very many adult films could offer more claim to notability without Deep Throat and the handful of others that have reached universal recognition. Serpent's Choice 22:15, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
My nomination asserted that this article fails WP:V for the claims of encyclopedic notability, not that there were no claims made. The article has been around since Feb 2004 (and received significant editor attention in a VfD), so that's ample time for refs supporting the special controversy/ban claim to show up - but they haven't, and a Factiva news database sweep showed nothing except the underage issue which would cover all the films Traci Lords made before the age of 18, not just this one in particular.Bwithh 22:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hadn't noticed this article had been around that long. Assuming that there really was public debate in Belgium and a newspaper article in Turkey, I'd stand by my comment, but I can't find them either, so I'll just back out of the discussion. Perhaps a means to address the underage issue is to expand the list in the Traci Lords article to mention all such films, without then requiring articles for each of them (barring other notability issues; her first such movie probably counts?). I know the Italian WP contains a comprehensive list that could be adapted to that purpose. Serpent's Choice 23:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
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