Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israelisms

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It is unfortunate that so many people's first experience with Wikipedia is AfD. We have nothing against the show. It just does not meet the notability requirements we have for articles. Perhaps it will in a couple of years. If anyone is puzzled by the outcome: AfD is not a vote, though it may look like one. I'm sorry for the confusion. -- Kjkolb 19:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israelisms

Questionable notability, reads like an advertisement Dsreyn 15:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I'm not sure what the notability requirements is for podcasts at this time, but with an Alexa rank for the website pushing 2,000,000 this can't be too close. StuffOfInterest 16:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:WEB Uncle G 17:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve Wouldn't the popularity of the show (in the form of a high Alexa ranking) prove the need for Wikipedia to be involved in giving information to others? DrumIntellect 22:32, 14 August 2006 (EST)

Comment. The Alexa ranking indicates that the show / site is NOT popular and has extremely low traffic (for comparison, Google.com has an Alexa ranking of 3). Wikipedia is not an advertising platform to "get the word out". Dsreyn 12:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Since you felt the need to add the big pink box lower down the page it seems that traffic is flowing to wikipedia. Therefore, I think it's fair to say that this is not an being used as an advertisement, but a way to share information - which is my understanding of what wikipedia is supposed to be about. I've learned a lot about the show and its creators by reading this page. I would hope that if given a chance there will be an episode by episode account - similar to what was done with many television shows. DrumIntellect 18:34, 18 August 2006 (EST)

Comment. The "big pink box" was added because of the flood of single purpose accounts that have been voting here. That's generally considered questionable, and is usually a sign that somebody is trying to "stuff the ballot box". Dsreyn 03:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. The following message is now on the Israelisms web site:

IMPORTANT!

By the way....someone wants Israelisms taken out of Wikipedia. So PLEASE go to the Wikipedia Israelisms entry

and help Israelisms stay in there.

So this would seem to explain why so many SPA's have been "voting" here. Dsreyn 03:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve This is a podcast that I am a fan of. I enjoyed learning more about the show from reading this. If it wasn't for this page I wouldn't have known what I now know about the page. Keep it for future listeners and fans. -chad, California — Possible single purpose account: 66.214.142.238 (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Preserve I am also a listener of this podcast and I am glad to have wikipedia offer more information about television, radio and podcasts that I may watch or listen. Please do not delete. As more listeners are added, they may want more information also. Thanks, --Staceyferguson 13:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. It is generally considered good form to indicate when you are a primary contributor / author of the article being proposed for deletion, as you are in this case. The same goes for User:DrumIntellect - I notice that both of you have no edits prior to August 5, and have virtually no edits other than this article. Dsreyn 13:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. As much as I would like to take credit, I am not a primary contributor to this article. Most of my edits have been minor and grammatical in nature. DrumIntellect 18:34, 18 August 2006 (EST)

ATTENTION! If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on a forum, please note that this is not a majority vote, but rather a discussion to establish a consensus among Wikipedia editors on whether a page is suitable for this encyclopedia. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines to help us decide this, and deletion decisions are made on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes. Nonetheless, you are welcome to participate and express your opinions. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Note: Comments by suspected single-purpose accounts can be tagged using {{subst:spa|username}}

• Preserve I am regular listener and also a member of the same podcasting network. I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, but I have seen listings here for radio shows, so I would think that rules for a podcast would be similar. Also note, Israelisms has an active forum board, so this is more than just a podcast. As far as I know, Israelisms is the only podcast of its kind that provides a man (and woman) on the street perspective of current news events in Israel. I think it has value. The listing as it is currently written doesn't sound overly promotional to me. --Mfogarty 15:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Mfogarty (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Preserve The Israelisms Podcast is unique in that it brings perspectives on Israel to the world in a way that is not available through mainstream media. My family and friends use the program as a starting point of discussion on political and moral issues. In that sense, it is an important Podcast. It seems like a user here has an issue with the listing being promotional, a grievance that may be better addressed by suggesting an edit, rather than a deletion. — Possible single purpose account: Sgersh (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Preserve Why on earth would you delete this page? This is a well-known entity. It is notable. It is not transient or temporary. Even if it was terrible (which it isn't) it does, in fact, exist and is public, and people might want to research this to find out more about it -- which are all pretty good critieria for having an entry on Wikipedia. -- Ron in Croton — Possible single purpose account: 64.115.214.26 (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• What issue I have viewed the wikipedia entries for The Closer,Hell's Kitchen,JawBone Radio, and I fail to see any issue that would cause this article to be nominated for deletion Other than the Fact that the name for the entry is Israelisms. I have looked at all the guidelines about article deletion and find no disparity against said guidelines. I am not a contributor or a user therefore I have no biased opinion except for the facts that are spelled out by Wikipedia users. This is a new site - I see no issues with it compared to any other site except for someone's personal bias. It would benefit the administrators to look into all the other sites mentioned above before issuing their decree upon this article. --John M. 21:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Gigasr (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• This is a single purpose account. After all, I just created it. The longtime editors can ignore all new voices as "Single Purpose Account" all they want to, and ignore the fact that once upon a time, THEIR accounts could also have been tagged as "Single Purpose" but the fact remains -- just because this is the first time I have felt the need to say something doesn't mean that I am not a Wikipedia user. It simply means that this is the first time I have been aggravated enough to SAY something. It's clear that everyone arguing in favor of keeping the page are using "Single Purpose" accounts, and that they are Podcast listeners. What is not as clear are the motives of the "editors" who have seen fit to comment on the legitimacy of this page. Editors acting in good faith would actually address the questions raised by those here -- how is this page different than others referenced above that have not been challenged? How can the page be edited to make it more closely conform to Wikipedia policies?Ycartreel 03:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)ycartreel — Possible single purpose account: Ycartreel (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Preserve I hope that the AFD will please be tolerant of the posts listed here. I know there are a lot of first time contributors and others (myself included) are new contibutors. And, I know that the Israelisms web site asked for help in maintaining the article here in Wikipedia, but in all honesty - we are all amateurs in the Wikipedia process and are learning. Please know that the Israelisms site receives no funding for its podcast and we pay nothing to listen. And I know that the Israelisms article may not have a huge readership, but a small crowd is valuable too...yes? I would ask that the contributor who is asking for the deletion please help us instead to change the wording or make it a better article. In fact, I would ask that all who come here would please help us to do a better job. Thank you, --Staceyferguson 11:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. You already "voted" once previously... Dsreyn 14:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. But, as is pointed out in the "the big pink box" we are not "voting" we are "discussing"... --Staceyferguson 15:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve I too am a first time contributor and have come here because, as a listener of the Israelisms podcast, I have been made aware of the fact that someone is challenging the right for Israelisms to have an entry in Wikipedia. It is not like this is the first podcast to have an entry. Two of podcasts I listen to - Extralife and Jawbone Radio - have entries and I have read all three entries again before making these comments and I really don't think that the Israelisms entry is any more an advertisement for their show than the other two. Therefore I really must question Dseryn's motives for singling Israelisms out. Alex-w 13:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Alex-w (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

Comment. I didn't "single out" Israelisms; I stumbled across it while doing some disambiguation. However, your point about the other podcasts is a good one - perhaps those should be scrutinized also. And note that it's not always safe to assume that every existing Wikipedia entry establishes a precedent for others. Dsreyn 00:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete this article has done a better job than some at asserting notablity with the section Awards and Featured Articles, however I still think it fails WP:WEB. I also think that most of the article in Category:Podcasts should be deleted and should not be used as a precedent. Jon513 18:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• No delete' Thanks for the comment Weak Delete: we agree 1 criteria has been met.Podcasting at best has been main stream for only about 18 months,[check Adam Curry's wiki]I say why kill off an entire growing industry,let alone one podcast out of 123 Category:Podcasts.The community has set this precedent not the One but the many. The Web! Tell me what's a webby award or a blogger award.These are Products created by those to foward their creations ie Blogging software,web site design etc. These also are niche awards for the few do they deserve a Wiki. This i can say the birthing pains of an industry are tough enough to overcome,But the narrow mindedness of a few over this one article is intolerable. Should we accept the rough guidelines a few recklessly use as their athority the wiki would count in the 10's of thousand and not the millions.Israelisms should no more be deleted than the first bloggers or the first web designer placed in this community. This is growing repository of fact and knowledge lets keep it that way--John M. 20:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)— Possible single purpose account: Gigasr (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

It is ettique on wikipedia when you comment a second time (you commented above as "What issue") to mark the second statement "comment" and not "vote" twice Jon513 23:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve Questionable notability for this deletion seems to be it is considered Advertising. Wikipedia defines advertising as "Advertising is the commercial promotion of goods, services, companies and ideas...". Israelisms is NOT a commercial enterprise or affliated with any commercial enterprise. Israelims does NOT promote goods or services. Therefore the Advertising basis cannot work. Dlutchner 23:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)— Possible single purpose account: Dlutchner (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic..

• Preserve There are many entries in Wikipedia for "pop culture" items that wouldn't be the subject of a traditional encyclopedia - I kind of thought this was the point of Wikipedia - it can be more current and responsive to new trends than a traditional encyclopedia. Yes the article could have some information added but what is already there is accurate and would be helpful to people who are looking for background information about the show. As others have said there are articles about other podcasts, radio shows, books, tv shows etc that are similar in style and content to this one and unless we're going to rid wikipedia of them all there is nothing to separate the Israelisms entry from those others. Oh and yes I have just created this account - I last contributed to Wikipedia a year ago and I don't remember the password I had then. But why should someone have to be interested in more than one wikipedia article in order to have what is considered a valid opinion? Why isn't the wikipedia community seeing this as an opportunity to engage a whole swag of new participants? How can an article that generates lots of 'single purpose accounts' be considered an article that there is no interest in (I'm reliably informed you cannot have your cake and eat it too) BSquaredInOz 03:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: BSquaredInOz (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic..

• commentI believe enough has been said about this Article, I also see that it has been cleaned up in many ways, thanks to the newly found editors of the wikipedia.May you live long and edit in an unbias manor. Unlike some Eds please don't bite the Newbies.Its time to put this old dog to rest and send it to the Old Pages Pile,Oh Admin Oh Admin...--John M. 22:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve

Firstly I am a First Time Poster, but I would like you to consider my point of view. I did become aware of this discussion, through mention of the website, but I am here voicing my own opinion. This is not about winning a Vote.

Please consider keeping Israelisms, in your Wikie Encyclopedia. Their show may be controversial to some, due to their point of view, being Jewish.

Although their opinions, may not match other people's, Ideals, it is none the less valid, because it is the perspective of those living within Israel, today.

This makes them Unique, and I challenge anyone to find another Podcast, that compares to it. It is their Uniqueness, that should qualify them to be in your Wikie.

To what I am aware of, they at no time, try to attempt to sell anything, while I have been listening to them. It is seems more of a Political Show, that reflects what it is like to live in Israel today. I fear, that the questioning of Israelisms, in the Wikie, may be more about Censorship, than concern about Advertising. I enjoy listening to their show, because I get a Window into their world, that I could not obtain through other means, including the various News Broadcasts.

Thank You Rob of Phoenix AZ — Possible single purpose account: IchibanRob (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

• Delete I can't find anything on Newsbank or Lexis-Nexis. If there were an article on the Hebrew Wikipedia, but as it is the article lacks reliable sources. ~ trialsanderrors 01:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason why there should be an article on the hebrew wikipedia - the podcast is in english. Jon513 08:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Preserve This is a very popular podcast so the aritcle should remain — Possible single purpose account: Elskin (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.

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