Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel and the European Union

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. AFD is not a venue for solving POV problems or pushing one for that matter. This article may well contain POV, but this fact alone does not warrant the deletion of a comprehensive article, when editing it can solve that. Whether or not Isreal can join or will join the EU is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is whether the topic is notable, and verifiable to reliable sources. JERRY talk contribs 01:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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The article is POV Bashing. There is no such activities of Israel accession to the EU going on within the EU. This is a conspiracy trying to promote some false beliefs. It is the same as saying US accession to the EU, I can provide equally the same information to support that claim such as talking about the strong trade relations. The fact is, Israel is NOT on European territory and thus has no legal basis for entry to the EU (unlike Turkey). The article shows pure propoganda material to deceive viewers in believing that a discussion is actually taking place when it is not. Waqas1987 (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep- I'd rather see Israel in the EU, rather than Turkey. Astrotrain (talk) 16:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It is relevant based on the comments requesting deletion. Israel is often associated with European groupings such as UEFA and the Song Contest. Astrotrain (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
What I meant was that tour opinion on what countries should join the EU is not relevant to whether this article meets Wikipedia's inclusion standards. --L. Pistachio (talk) 19:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It is relevant, as I was responding to the original research of the nomination rather than offering an out of the blue opinion. How does he know what countries have a legal basis to join the EU? Astrotrain (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
To join the EU, you first must meet the "European" criteria. Turkey has a history in Europe and well as parts geographically located in Europe, Israel does not. Israel has no relationship to Europe whatsoever. UEFA and Eurovision song contest have got nothing to do with the EU. And further to my point, there is ABSOLUTELY NO TALK from with the EU members of a possible Israel in EU UNLIKE Turkey and even to some extent Morocco. This article is a simple POV bashing, propoganda rubbish that is derving conspiracies to fool readers. Delete this article, or remove any information related to a possible enlargement of EU to include Israel as this is utterly hideous.--Waqas1987 (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
You may not think Israel could join the EU, but obviously other people do as stated in the article. Israel would be a more suitable member than Turkey. Astrotrain (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
My views is based on the facts that are already out there. Other memebers who wrote the article are derviing false conclusions. Produce me one citation of any hint from EU members of a possible Israel in EU? And secondly, I think Japan or even US are more suitable members to EU than both Turkey and Israel. Does that mean anything?--Waqas1987 (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. Perhaps I'm missing something, but the topic of relations between Israel and EU seems unimpeachable and clearly sourced, e.g. look at first few footnotes. The nom's main concern is with the section "Possible future developments in EU-Israel relations" and I do see grounds for concern with editorializing and sourcing. Thus, there's a need for editing improvements, ad/or for tags, but deletion? HG | Talk 16:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Are you talking about the EU-Israel association agreement? I can produce you one with Lebanon @ [1]. Does that mean we can start a topic of a possible enlargement of EU to include Lebanon? --Waqas1987 (talk) 17:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Conditional Keep. The article should exist, but most of the material in the artcile's largest section, "Possible future developments in EU-Israel relations", is a crystal ball hypothesis of what might happen if Israel were to attempt to join the EU. Most of that section should be trimmed away. Majoreditor (talk) 17:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and clean up Buried among the wild speculation and OR is a viable article on the relations between Israel and the EU. Most of the text would have to be removed, though. --L. Pistachio (talk) 17:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Morocco has no legal basis for entry in the EU either, yet applied for membership. There's enough valid material here to keep it, even with some problems. matt91486 (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Thats an entirely different matter altogether. The fact that Morocco applied, and albeit rejected, it has scope for an article. But remember, I am not against talking about Israels and EUs trade relations, but when the first paragraph reads: "The accession of Israel to the European Union refers to a possible future development in the European Union-Israel relations." It is very deceiving to say the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waqas1987 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • It says a possible future development, not a possible future ascension. Ascension would be very very misleading, but future development is just ambiguous and poorly phrased, not malicious. matt91486 (talk) 18:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and clean up - requires a new lead though. Any statement about joining the EU needs reliable sources. Squash Racket (talk) 05:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and develop - EU–Israel relations is a serious topic and the editors have made a start. Hell is more likely to freeze over than Israel actually joining the EU, however. Excuse My Dust (talk) 10:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. Several of you are expressing concerns about article POV and crystal ball issues. I'm going to start a discussion thread on the article's talk page on how we can address these concerns. Majoreditor (talk) 04:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, as per Majoreditor and Excuse My Dust--Allstar86 (talk) 05:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.