Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irving Middle School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Johnleemk | Talk 15:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Irving Middle School

Non-notable.-- Luigi30 (Ταλκ) 23:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Merge per WP:SCH.

    Luigi30, this is four schools in a row you've nominated for deletion without providing a valid reason (notability is not a criterion for deletion). This is an extremely contentious issue, and your actions are likely to be counter-productive: every school nominated for deletion in this way is going to convince more and more inclusionists that they cannot afford to compromise. Please try reading the proposal at WP:SCH and adopting it: it is the best compromise that we who dislike non-notable school stubs are likely to get. — Haeleth Talk 23:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Notability is a criterion for deletion (if it can be proven. It's even part of the A7 vanity speedy criterion. The problem is that school notability is contentious. - Mgm|(talk) 10:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete non-notable, obscure, void of encyclopedic value --Mecanismo 23:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • keep please this is too many schools for deletion already Yuckfoo 00:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge until it's expanded passed substub level. - Mgm|(talk) 10:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment Regarding the current proposal being discussed on the talk pages at WP:SCH. A Keep or Merge vote is being touted as a compromise that might get us out of school AFD hell. Presently people create school articles containing neutral, verifiable information and it is impossible to delete them, even though many have a desire to do so. Rather than striving for an impossible consensus to delete any given school article, it is preferable, and takes much less energy, to merge the text of the article into an article about a suitable habitation or administrative unit: a city, county or state, or a school district, either a local education authority or other school system. This should be done while taking care not to delete the information contained in the article.

How would this compromise work? One solution is to tag new school articles that are considered candidates for merging with a template such as the following, template:schoolzone, to warn those unfamiliar with the process from tagging it for AFD. This will also serve as a holding category and bring to attention schools that need to be merged or expanded.

Merging is appropriate if the school article is both below three sentences and lacks any sort of illustration, boxed info-template or picture. If the article is merged, the current location should be replaced by a redirect, and the edit history maintained for future use.

We now have an good chance to test this proposal since User:Bp28 has just created the school district page Lincoln Public Schools including new pages for all the middle schools and high schools in the district. Already four of the middle schools have been tagged for deletion by User:Luigi30. Do we really have the energy for 11 middle school AFD's? I have tagged the remaining schools with the schoolzone template in the hope it will prevent the others reaching AFD.

Here is a description of the current state or all the schools involved in this discussion.

Lets see how these grow over the next week and then discuss which ones if any are merge candidates after that period of time. This will be a useful exercise for several reasons:

  1. It will help convince those who wish to delete such articles that given a chance they will grow if less time is spent arguing in AFD.
  2. It will help determine what form a merge candidate will take.
  3. It will also help us reach a consensus of the type of school article that is worthy of being kept without merging.

I urge everyone here to participate in this project as an exercise in good faith. David D. (Talk) 00:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I made an error in listing these. I thought middle schools were delete as non-notable and high schools were to be kept. Luigi30 (Ταλκ) 04:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. Move the long discussion somewhere else please, this is not the appropriate forum to list merge candidates. Silensor 09:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • You're wrong. This is where people see the school bickering. Few go to WP:SCH. But if you feel you have to move it go ahead I will not revert. David D. (Talk) 15:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with district per WP:SCH proposal. This vote is made in good faith.Gateman1997 19:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, not much point merging but wouldn't be too evil. Kappa 13:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. We're still having this debate, are we. —RaD Man (talk) 20:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Factually accurate. --Oldak Quill 22:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge/redirect per WP:SCH --Rob 08:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge per school district idea. That is one good comprimise for deletionist like me :-).Voice of AllT|@|ESP 00:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep The mere fact of something's existence makes it worthy of inclusion. Kurt Weber 12:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 07:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.