Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Unionist Alliance

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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 22:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irish Unionist Alliance

Irish Unionist Alliance (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)Prod contested without improvement. Tiny organisation, no independent sources, fails WP:CORP and WP:V. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Delete - I've had a search around the web and also can't find anything independent of any significance. Other than brief mentions in blogs and references to the Conservative-aligned Irish Unionist Alliance founded in 1885, a couple of which mention an obscure modern organisation of the same name without giving useful details, the only references seem to be located on the Ulster-Scots Online website, which isn't enough, for my money. Warofdreams talk 22:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Weak Keep - seems notable enough to me; couldn't care less, but there aren't any other Free State Unionist parties (are there?) so it may be notable for that. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Which part of WP:CORP (or perhaps even WP:WEB since they only seem to exist online?) do you think they meet? And WP:V requires independent sources, perhaps you'd like to provide those? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep - small but certainly notable minority organisation being one of very few Unionist organisations in the Republic of Ireland. relevant to the "Unionism in Ireland" section of Wikipedia. has been covered in Irish newspapers - Anglo-Celt and Longford Leader. has an active web-forum / guestbook hosting an on-going discussion for many years. previous version of the Irish Unionist Alliance was the largest Unionist grouping in Ireland outside of Ulster pre-1921. given that today they represent only a small minority of people they could hardly be anything other than a small organisation. --Pondersomething (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- Bláthnaid 00:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. The organisation described in the article certainly doesn't seem notable - I can't find any references in the Google News archive, which covers the major Irish news sources. However there was an organisation of this name which is certainly notable - the one found by Warofdreams - for which there are plenty of book and newspaper sources. If this is deleted I'll write a stub on the notable Irish Unionist Alliance. If the modern organisation ever becomes notable then its article should be called somthing like Irish Unionist Alliance (founded 2006). Phil Bridger (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete, albeit somewhat reluctantly. I am a political junkie, and I'm generally fascinated by small and unlikely political groups, and this one appears to be set on reviving a political tradition which otherwise disappeared in the 1920s. However, I can find no trace of them in the major national newspapers. A search of the Irish Independent draws nothing. A search of 1996-present text archive of The Irish Times produces only one hit, relating to the late 19th/early 20th century organisation, and while a search of the Irish Times's pre-1996 digital archive produces nothing more recent than 1891. A Google News search throws up nothing after 1921, I can find no trace online of any mention of them in the Anglo-Celt[1] or the Longford Leader[2]. The article says that 'The number of its members, or their identities, have not been revealed, it stating that it was using the internet to preserve their anonymity "for the moment"', so its hardly surprising that they have received no coverage. However surprising the idea of a revival of unionism in the 26 counties, this anonymous group appears to be nothing more than a relatively obscure website, with no identified individuals beyond their webmaster and with apparently no printed publications. The nominator is right: this group fails WP:CORP and WP:V, and may be nothing more than one person's website. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - surely if it was notable pre-1920s it matters not whether it has since collapsed. Over and out. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 12:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Go and help Phil write an article on the original one then, not the "man with website" who has seemingly hijacked the name. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with ONIH. Unlike this one-man venture, the original Irish Unionist Alliance is clearly very notable. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No verifiable claim to notability, indeed, no more than a website, not even truly an organization. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 02:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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