Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irene Hirano

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus (default to keep). Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 01:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irene Hirano

Irene Hirano (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Someone posted a tag on Daniel Inouye's article that this should be merged into it. There's really nothing to merge because the article is almost nonexistent. Unless there's other information to add to this article to make it substantial, I recommend deletion. Enigma ^msg! 01:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Associated with significant museum, spouse of significant public official. Stubs are there to be expanded, not deleted. --Oldak Quill 02:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge/redirect to Japanese American National Museum. Notability is not inherited. --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 02:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep. There are not many sources in depth that I could find online, but she has a fairly significant role as a leader in the Japanese-American community. Led a delegation to Japan. Served on a Toyota diversity panel. Chair of Kresge Foundation. She was also on the President's Committee on the Arts and Humanities for a time. There are numerous Google Books citations indicating her career as an academic and advocate. There is a profile in The Encyclopedia of Minorities in American Politics.

--Dhartung | Talk 03:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep She notable but not famous. That is the criteria for inclusion. She is a significant historical figure and an accomplished person in philanthropy and the Japanese-American culture. Expand the stub, don't delete it. See he bio here. --DHeyward (talk) 04:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: She herself may have done the sorts of things that make for an encyclopedic profile, but what the article tells us is that she's engaged and heads a museum. Well, museum head is not encyclopedic. Engaged to a famous person is transitive fame. Let's look at the article, not the lady, and let's ask whether this article should stay or not. It's darned near an A7 speedy delete, so I'd say not. Utgard Loki (talk) 12:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
  • That's why it's listed as a stub. Add to it. --DHeyward (talk) 15:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
  • That's not a stub. A stub is an adequate article that begs for expansion. This is a sub-stub, which is an inadequate article that needs substantial expansion to be permissible. "The Guggenheim is a museum in New York City. It's on 5th Street" is a substub. Substubs are covered in A3 in the speedy deletion criteria. Utgard Loki (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
    • False. For one thing, that obviously provides useful information as per WP:STUB. For another, WP:SUBSTUB is an inactive definition and there is no consensus on what differentiates one from the other (probably the main reason it's inactive). In any case, the length is not really the problem here, as if the information contained in the same length spoke more obviously to notability we would not be having this discussion. But Let's look at the article, not the lady is also clearly a wrong approach, and essentially the WP:UGLY argument. --Dhartung | Talk 19:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as nominator. I don't see anything noteworthy. Enigma ^msg! 17:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment What, did you worry nobody read your nomination? --Dhartung | Talk 19:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Traditionally, the nominator votes as well. Enigma ^msg! 19:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• Traditionally, the nominator's rationale is considered as part of the WP:CONSENSUS. AFD is not a vote. --Dhartung | Talk 02:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.