Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inselkampf

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 01:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Inselkampf

9000 registered users, of which many are not active, (says so on the page) is not even remotely notable for an online game. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete as nominator. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:43, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable large online game -- Kafuffle 10:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Would you like to explain how a game with 9000 registered players, many of which never even touched the game, is a notable large online game? An alexa ranking of 210,890 is quite low, to say the least. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 03:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Alexa rank for German version of the game is 210,890.
  • Keep notable also as a simple-looking, text-base game that still attracts thousands of active players (even more in the German version). Can be played eg. with a cell phone too because of the simple looks. --TJ 21:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep The main issue is vandalism and some very bad edits recently - please review your proposal in light of the reverted version! In support of the entry:
  1. This is a relatively popular online game,
  2. having browsed other games in the same category, this is more popular than many of the other’s listed.
  3. In terms of resource use this entry is just a bit of ascii, no pictures and its not like there’s much else with the same name.
  4. Having read the wikipedia rules on entries and commented on the odd deletion myself, the only basis for removing this would be under ‘notability’. If 4 - 5000 people are active in this - that’s the size of a small town…
  5. Inactive players are deleted periodically, therfore 9000 represents many more.
  6. Many external sites use wiki as a source and will use this entry, many people who have heard of the game may wish to view it to find out more,
  7. is there any way of seeing how many ‘hits’ is had?
  8. other evidence are the ebay auctions for items in the game and a site site devoted entirely to in game news, which i shall add to the entry.
  9. in conclusion: why on earth would you want to delete this?

In response to the above, point for point:

  1. 210,890 alexa ranking is not considered notable.
  2. If those pages are non-notable, they should be deleted as well. Not an excuse for this to remain.
  3. The amount of resources this page takes does not matter; it being non-notable does.
  4. It's considered very non-notable for a forum/online game.
  5. Unverifiable.
  6. Wikipedia is not an outlet for advertising.
  7. Alexa.
  8. I can sell my underwear on Ebay. Notable?
  9. In conclusion: Non-notable.
-- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!

- Reponse again

  • The point was not to advertise the game but to inform and comment on a community and another one of those strange ways that humans entertain themselves.
  1. Im not sure how alexa works but if its the 210,000th most popular site out of however many millions then ...? The co.uk site is only a portal to the .de servers. The guidelines on notability say for those outside the top 100,000 "The intermediate area is a grey area where opinions differ", and this is'nt just about a website - you cant base its notability solely on number of hits.
  2. That is *my main concern*; the precedent this makes, if this is'nt notable than quite alot of other things i've seen are'nt either. That is the beauty of wiki, its not a printed encyclopaedia its a fantastic resource with where people can find out often *very* niche things. 5000 is about 15% of the population of Lichtenstein and bigger than a lot of places I’ve lived, which have entries btw.
  3. Above… really I cant stress this more, this isn’t a book it’s a ever changing organic collection of information that anyone can add too, within the context of wiki it clearly IS notable
  4. in your opinion - I will research some similar cases if I find the time
  5. not at all, do the maths - if there is a constant level of 9000 (verifiable) with some leaving or inactive, and therefore being deleted about once a month and those representing about 4000 players in any given month (verifiable) with the game having started about 12 months ago (verifiable) that’s between a conservative 29,000 and an optimistic 53,000 (based on frequency of deletions)
  6. Yes - well aware of that. Maybe my point was not made very clearly, check out ukremovals.co.uk, or dictionaryofeverything.com or absoluteastronomy.com, all of these sites use parts of wiki as their sources.
  7. I meant the wiki entry itself - given the number of unique editors I’d say the number of viewers is respectable.
  8. I doubt you could sell your underpants on ebay for much money though… cheap shot. Secondly an inselkampf account just got sold for GB£300.
  9. In conclusion: notable enough for retention
  • Delete. Per Миборовский. Must add, from it's history, it is the most vandalised article I have yet seen.--Dakota t e 22:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.