Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Innosense (2nd nomination)

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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW--JForget 00:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Innosense

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non notable, fails WP:MUSIC. Was AFD'd in Nov. 2005 but snuck back into being in Nov. 2006. Still as non-deserving of an article now as back in '05 JeanLatore (talk) 04:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. This isn't about "deserving" an article. They pass WP:MUSIC criterion #6 three times over, and they pass the primary notability criterion. What more do you want? --Dhartung | Talk 05:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

*Delete Non-Notable.--RyRy5 ^{Got something to say?} 05:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, it passes WP:N and WP:MUSIC.--RyRy5 ^{Got something to say?} 05:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per my comment above.--RyRy5 ^{Got something to say?} 05:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - It passes WP:Music so who are we to delete it. Canterbury Tail talk 13:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment to User:RyRy5: I would disagree that the article satisfies any element of WP:MUSIC, esp. not #6. If your argument is predicated upon Britney Spears once being a member of the band, the element is not satisfied, since Spears was NEVER part of this group. That piece of mis-information must be cleaned up; Wikipedia is, I would hope, somewhere we can have accurate information. Anyway, the band never had Spears, therefore never had any members who went on to notable careers later. Delete. JeanLatore

• Comment We have at least three reliable sources saying she was in the band. --Dhartung | Talk 22:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I disagree with the above. Although Britney Spears wasn't in it, other band members (three I think) have their own articles. There are a lot of google hits. What part of this doesn't meet WP:MUSIC? PeterSymonds | talk 15:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I see multiple reliable sources, including but not limited to a decent length Allmusic bio. By merit of the sources, I think they pass #1 of WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. No, the articles on the individual members simply re-direct back to the main page on the band, like in a loop. And "Allmusic" is NOT a substantial enough print source to sustain element #1; more like Rolling Stone, Spin, etc., is what the guideline contemplated. JeanLatore (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Mandy Ashford and Nikki DeLoach are not outstanding articles, but they are not, as you imply, redirects. --Dhartung | Talk 22:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Reply to comment. Mandy ashford is notable for being a model; her "fame" has nothing to do with her fleeting association with "Innosense." Nikki DeLoach is arguably not inherently notable enough for her article, and "innosense" in no way had anything to do with her achievements, to wit, acting. The articles on the other members were deleted as non-notable a long time ago. JeanLatore (talk) 01:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• There's no need to require coverage in the handful of highest-circulating magazines in order to satisfy point 1. Specialized, genre-specific, or online-only sources may all be used as reliable sources for notability purposes, and All Music Guide (one of the oldest and most comprehensive online pop music resources) is no exception. Chubbles (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep if it meets WP:MUSIC and I believe that it does then there is no real reason to continue this discussion here. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Clearly meets WP:MUSIC criterion 6, so there doesn't seem to be much to discuss here. Klausness (talk) 10:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Clearly meets WP:MUSIC.
• Keep per Ten Pound Hammer. --Bardin (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep WP:MUSIC passed by a mile. Chubbles (talk) 15:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.