Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesians in the Philippines

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. --Ezeu 15:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesians in the Philippines

Article is essentially nothing but an overly verbose non-notable demographic 'fact' with no sources, citations or references provided. Deleterious 06:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose This article needs improvement, not deletion. I only support deletion if the premise of the article is flawed; not the content.Adambiswanger1 06:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose needs sources though and will make the appropriate notice.--Jondel 06:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. --JChap 06:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The 36,000 Indonesians claimed to be living in the Philippines would represent 0.0004% of the total population of 89.5 million. Not significant enough Bwithh 07:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

  Umm... would you go for 0.04%? According to the Ethnologue report there were only 2,580 speakers of Indonesian in the Philippines in 1998, or 0.003% --Lambiam^Talk 14:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

My math sux <=P Bwithh 18:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. What's next "Indonesians in France", "Indonesians in Iceland"? → Wombdpsw - @ ← 07:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

  Why not? There is also Indonesian Americans, Indonesian Chinese and Indonesian Indians, as well as German-Brazilians, Japanese-Brazilians, Irish Australians, Greeks in Great Britain, Armenians in the Netherlands, and this is just a random sample; there are many more such articles. --Lambiam^Talk 14:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above. -- Shizane ^talk_contribs 09:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Deleterious 11:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bwithh Crazynas 12:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into List of minorities in the Philippines and redirect. Keep per User:Matthewprc; after a bit of research on the web his argument appears convincing to me. Originally signed: --Lambiam^Talk 14:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC); Recommendation changed: --Lambiam^Talk 14:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to List of minorities in the Philippines. Wiping the article off totally is not a good idea, some mention would be good. --Terence Ong 15:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Lambiam. B.Wind 18:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with List of minorities in the Philippines or weak keep and cleanup--☆TBC☆ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 18:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Tenuous delete since its nowhere NEAR as important as, say, Indonesian Chinese, Indonesian Americans, and the like. M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 18:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Mergeorama W4rez 21:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Even if you just briefly scan Philippine (especially in Mindanao) culture and traditions as well as its' historical connections to Indonesia, you'll find this article worth keeping and improving. As a resident of the Philippines, I know that there are many more Indonesians than that figure - that figure merely gives the number of Indonesians who entered the Philippines legally, and not those who entered the Philippines illegally. According to estimates, thousands of Indonesians come to the Philippines (especially through Mindanao) where they get Muslim Filipina wives, hold businesses, and even train in terrorism camps. It is very evident that there is a wide disparity between the views of foreigners and Filipinos. In this case, since this is an article pertaining to Philippines, I think that it would be alright to surmise that the Filipinos are correct..--User:Matthewprc 21:55, 02 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge provided that it's cleaned up first, to comply with WP:NPOV and WP:Verifiability Waitak 13:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Indonesians in France may be deleted, but Indonesians in the Philippines shouldn't. The Philippines and Indonesia are Southeast Asian neighbors, and there is a significant Indonesian minority. If articles with no sources, citations or references provided should be deleted, let me point you to this. --Howard the Duck | talk, 03:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. Zaxem 01:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.