Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imperial Republic of Shireroth

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Resistance is futile! - Mailer Diablo 01:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Republic of Shireroth

An online micronation with 25 members, unencyclopedic, delete--nixie 08:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. I can't tell whether this is a children's club, a role-playing game, or total fiction, but it isn't an encyclopedia article. Gazpacho 08:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - that is possibly the longest article I have ever seen nominated for deletion. Its such a shame to delete so much work. Unless its a copyvio issue off the page http://shireroth.org/, which it doesn't seem to be, I say to keep it just for effort. However, I believe that 25 members does not meet Wikipedia criteria. If online forums need to have 5,000, then I imagine that so do micronations. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 09:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • They could always request the material so they can put it on their own website. Votes are best based on the merits of the article itself, not the effort the creator put into it. - Mgm|(talk) 11:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. No doubt the members had some hand in the article. They could always userfy it if it's important to them to have a wikipedia presence. rodii 13:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • As the author in question, I'd like to keep it. I understand if it needs to be deleted, but realize that 25 people is larger than some other (secessionist) micronations that have Wiki pages (for instance: the Republic of Minerva, which has "tba" instead of a citizen count; the Dominion of Melchizedek claims less than fifty; the Principality of New Utopia also claims less than fifty and is mostly fiction; finally, the Kingdom of EnenKio may or may not exist).
Furthermore, Shireroth is a nation--granted, a nation that claims no territory or even independence, but a nation nonetheless. We have existed for five years and fought (and won) against the plagues that most other online political simulations succumb to.

=FaxCelestis 01:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

  • KEEP Most micronations of today are considered large if they have anything above five "citizens" or members. This hobby may be small, and it's easy to brush an article about it aside, but this is the largest and oldest micronation, and as such deserves the tiny disk space it takes up here. -foghorn5950|(talk) 9:57 PM, 7 December 2005 (UTC +5)
  • Live and Let Live Shireroth is the godfather of micronations, deleting this means almost total rejection of the hobby itself- we have stood longer than any other, and as was pointed out, we're doing a lot better than others that have been allowed to keep theirs. And really, why do you need to nitpick at this stuff? Surely you have better things to do than take on a page and 25 protestors? -Oz Mons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.128.41.59 (talk • contribs)
  • KEEP Shireroth is, by the standards of the hobby, huge. It's peak population is may seem small compared to some random generic forum, but over the years it has earned a place in the hearts and minds of many people and comunities. I has has links with a TV show with one of the highest audiance participation levels around (of non sports related or prize giving shows) -Conglacio 3:29 AM, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP Calling Shireroth the largest and the oldest is a bit of an exaggeration, but as micronations of its type go, it is quite old, the oldest yet standing of its tradition; and it is larger than most micronations than it has contact with (the Kingdom of Lovely being the notable exception). If, despite this, having only 25 people ulimately makes it unsuitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, then so be it; but this will also exclude for the forseeable future all other members of a vibrant and diverse community, which itself is, as a whole, poorly represented in Wikipedia. -Shyriath —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.77.52.31 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete nn.--Bkwillwm 05:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete completely unnotable project that should be put on a personal webpage not in an encycopedia!! And thanks to FaxCelestis for pointing out other very suitable AfD candidates above. Eusebeus 07:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Unverifiable in sources outside the micronational community. Sam Vimes 13:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP I think this is an interesting article, and we should give it time to see if others thing the same way as well. Obviously a lot of time went into this article, so let it stay! It is worth it.--Drake44444 11:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP This is more than a children's club, or just a message bourd, it is a thriving micronation of over 5 years, which in of itself is a feat, which has a sizeable, in micronational terms, population. The Micronational community exsists, and just because individual micronations are not massive in scale, (5,000+) members/citizens does not make them any less real, or any less worthy of mention in an article. This article interfers with no other articles of similar name that I can see, there are NO copyright issues over the name or the micronation itself. The Imperial Republic of Shireroth has a citizenship spanning many nations and continents. Why is it many who may not even know what a Micronation is to begin with are seeking the deletion of this page, passing it off as simply a "children's club" or some juvinile group. Yes, many members find their age to be under 25, does that make them, and what they have built any less substantial. Is not this article informative, and is not that the point of an encyclopedia? To allow people to look up and research information, no matter how obscure. Now I recognize there are some lines that need to be drawn. but saying a Micronation of sizeable age and population is unworthy of mention, is drawing the line in the wrong place. If you are seeing this as unworthy of mention due to the age of members, that is ageism, in it's purist form. If you are judging it by it's current citizen base, you are judging it by the wrong criteria. Shireroth has endured much as a political model for many years, and through it's trials and tribulation much can be learned about government, political-science, psychology, sociology and even religion/spirituality. The point is; this article is more than just the organization that it covers, it is all that has been learned and discovered through the project that is the Imperial Republic of Shireroth. To delete this article would be to deny the world information, possibly useful, possibly not, but it should be up to them to decide. (Please forgive any spelling errors, I did not have time to spell check)--Erik Metzler at 23:34 UTC Dec 8, 2005
  • Major clip or Delete. Way way way too long for a start, seems like webcruft. Wikipedia is not a free web host, this article belongs on the site's own page. Stifle 00:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Shireroth is a well-established and senior micronation, and to delete it is pointless. It certainly is worth being in an encyclopedia, since it has had numerous successes, for example an appearance on How to Start Your Own Country. --Graius 18:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, notability not established. Try Uncyclopedia first. Pavel Vozenilek 22:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete NN. Josh Parris#: 04:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.