Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imakuni?

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 talk 19:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imakuni?

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This page is totally unsourced (unless you count the external link to a Japanese website). It's an odd mix of information that might be a biography of a real person, but it might also be about a Pokemon character. I have no clue what's going on here. Google doesn't help at all because a lot of stuff seems to be coming up in Japanese. So I believe it should be deleted as unverifiable, unsourced, and the like. Metros232 19:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I agree. I used Babelfish to translate the site, but it could only translate a little bit due to the fact that most of the Japanese wasn't text but on an image. It seems to be a blog of some sort with a weird talking animation (in Japanese) that you can view. Perhaps it's notable on the Japanese Wikipedia, but not English. --Theunicyclegirl (talk, review me!) 21:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, terminal whimsy. -- Hoary 03:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. As I mentioned, if any item is notable just in Japan, or just in China, it is notable enough for any Wikipedia. Let's consider this: many of the people we know that satisfy WP:N in America is not heard of in other places in the world. For me, it is notable enough, simply due to the huge reference by Japanese. Lastly, I want people to understand that English Wikipedia is just that: a Wikipedia presented in a certain language known as English; it does not, and should not, serve a particular country at all. George Leung 22:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

• I don't think I can agree that this is bias when the article says, "Little is known about Imakuni?, his significance, or his past" (emphasis mine). I removed the section on what his character says in the trading card game (WP:NOT a game guide). Dekimasuよ! 09:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• It just looks mere whimsical blather to me. Consider this gem: the musical group Suzukisan (which is Japanese for Three Part or Three Person). Oh really? -- Hoary 10:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete I agree with George Leung on some of his points, and the guy does seem to be somewhat notable in the Pokemon music circle (he has some 10 odd CDs/singles and two books on the subject), but the article as it is now is a complete and utter mess. If someone more knowledgable and competent to make this into a more credulous article should show up (I have brought this to the attention of the Pokemon Project), then I shall change my vote to "Weak keep". TomorrowTime 12:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. The guy, for whatever reason, has a fictional Pokemon character based on him, so that's where the confusion comes from. -Amarkov moo! 14:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete 234 GHits on Japanese name [1]. Mostly blogs and people selling his album. Incidentally, I strongly second George Leung's comment. There is no such thing as "notable in Japanese but not notable in English" and there is no consensus for the Anglocentric view that "no English sources = non-notable". The only policy statement in this regard is Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources in_languages other than English, which merely recommends that English sources be used rather than foreign language sources where English sources of equal quality are available (e.g. don't reference a fact to a Japanese book when you could reference it to an English book); it does not mandate English sources as a condition of establishing notability. However, with that said, this guy isn't notable period, due to the lack of reliable sources. cab 23:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• weak keep I'm inclined to keep any article on an author, and because this person is a well-known member (in Japan) of the group that performs songs of a global pop culture trend. the project desperately needs more people who are able to read japanese because many online sources that would contain info on notable people within the franchise are completely written that way which results in a dearth of info even in articles like Satoshi Tajiri and Ken Sugimori. I have added {{PCP}} tags to both this article and the related Suzukisan, hopefully the horibble stubbiness can be improved. Ghits are not always the best way to verify notability as web presence isn't the only barometer. and stubbiness isn't the best way to decide whether or not there is enough information. If we don't keep, then merge this article into the band Suzukisan. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 14:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• keep 19,800 hits on Google if you search under "イマクニ？" ("imakuni?" in Japanese). Obviously the article should be written better. RevJohn 14:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Still, are any of these WP:RS? I tried "イマクニ -blog -auction -amazon -wikipedia -youtube" to filter out all the junk, and was left with only 983 GHits.[2] The fact that even his name written in katakana gets no GNews hits [3] also makes me suspicious of his notability. cab 23:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I am no fan of this guy, character or not even Pokemon at all, but I was just a little more than interested trying to find out what this was all about. I have edited the article, to the best I can do through researches on mainly - or almost exclusively (but of course not intentionally) - Japanese materials. Nevertheless, I must say there was no hardcore source that reveals the real name of this guy, or character, but after all it is probably not the most important part anyway. I might also say that "Imakuni?" appears to have a enough notability by the fact he is credited in CD releases apparently popluar, even if the rumor did not have to be mentioned at all. Hope this helps in your decision. --OhMyDeer 06:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

• Week keep - There are published books, CDs and games that's related to this Pokemon character. I would think it's notable enough to be kept. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 23:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes the WP:POKEMON test.  ;-) But seriously, there appear to be sufficient sources available for this subject, so keep and continue to develop the article. RFerreira 01:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. While there may well be reliable sources covering this character or person, no one seems to have been able to come up with any. For that reason, the content is non-notable and generally also original research. Sandstein 06:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.