Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ihsan Khan

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was between refactoring and sockpuppetry/copyvio accusations (which I cannot confirm) I can find no consensus to delete. ~ trialsanderrors 02:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ihsan Khan

Ihsan Khan (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links) Not a nopteable nor a big position to have a separate article for. He dosen't meets the WP:Bio. A M. Khan 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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  • Speedy Dlete/Copvio The article be speedy deleted, as there are thousands of Nazims in Pakistan. The article seems to be a copy from a web-site too, that is from a forum and the main link given in that froum article is giving an error.
  • Speedy Delete as per nomination scope_creep 20:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. This is by all means a bad faith nomination. A Google result [1] provides countless interesting stories about this person who won a Jack Pot of 32 Million Dollars in a US lottery. A Nazim of a District in Pakistan is like a Mayor in USA. The person having unique history (which provides him an international fame) certainly qualifies as per WP:BIO. The article must remain for the sake of him winning the largest amount of Lottery in US history. I have also added some links to his article and which should suffice. --Marwatt 00:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong DeleteComment: Nazim is to different from Mayor. In Pakistan we previously use to have Mayors but that system was replaced as that was British System. The country rapidly started changing the British system. This was one of few steps. Beside this, also let me add, that Nazim system was brought after Commissionerate system was lifted from Pakistan, that use to show the pre-independence time. So government of Pakistan changed it. By the way there are atleast Twenty Five 25 Nazims in each district of Pakistan, there are nearby 200 districts in Pakistan. There are thousand of people who wins the lottery everyday at every place of the world. If we started entering the Nazims of Pakistan and lottery people, then I think Wikipedians will have nothing to do except of hiring people to upload data for whole of them.A M. Khan 07:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment. Lets talk about the merits of this article. Isn't Ihsan Khan a District Nazim which means that he is the boss of all the other town Nazims. Yes he is. Furthermore, how many people have won US Lottery worth 32 Million Dollars, none and especially a poor cab driver from Pakistan. Certainly passes the Google test. It’s a Cinderella story and strongly deserves a place in Wikipedia. You are once again pushing a POV on personal enmity. And by the way please insert your vote only once and avoid adding more votes down the page.--Marwatt 14:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep It's verifiable with sources and the subject has successfully entered elected politics. Being mayor of a town isn't normally notable just by itself, but this guy has already had international media coverage (and I guess a lot more in non-English media) so he meets WP:BIO even if he stops now. Mereda 18:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree with mereda, it is verifiable and a district nazim is considerably more influential than a a simple mayor.--Zak 14:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I know a person who is not a notable to anyone in his street, but his name comes in google, whenever you search, as he use to work on net and also in a private organization. I also know a bureaucrat who is too famous in bureaucracy of Pakistan and atleast 2-3 pages of goole comes for him, so it means should we make an article for such people too? Nazim has nothing to do with any bureaucrat, he is even under the DCO {District Chief Officer), the name itself shows that all powers are with DCO not with Nazims. I don't want to go further, except making a comment that you for your un-healthy claim brought up many sock-puppets here. Aiditior, Zakksez a.k.a Zak are your sock puppets. I hope the administration will be taking action against you soon and blocking of you will be made alongwith this article soon. A M. Khan 18:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment. Closing Editor/Administrator should discount the votes of all sock puppets such as User:Begu Khel, User:Mina Khel, and User:Krishan Raj. --Marwatt 19:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletions. -- Mereda 18:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep- Seems to be notable. But is there any Pakistani wikipedians to comment on this Afd...? If so we have to consider there words with more weightage. Asian Language Newspaper reports are not available in Google search. So we cannot blindly believe and rely on google hits when the AfD biography of an Asian is taken into consideration. News reports from Urdu or Hindi newspapers of 5 lakh copies are not available in google. But report from English Newspapers with mere 1000 copies are also available in google.Ha...Ha...Ha... Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 15:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment. I am a Pakistani Wikipedian and I know the person from his philanthropy from the local press as well. He is an elected official and almost everyone in the Pashtun belt knows about his dream winning of a US lottery of 32 million. He has a status of a celebrity as far as I know. --Marwatt 20:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
High Comments. I am also a Pakistani Wikipedian, I never knew the person before reading this article. He is infamous person. I asked many people in his area, who were my college mates and some work with me in Mobilink Peshawar. All of them replied that yes they just know him for Nizamat (Holding status of Nazim) not for his lottery. One of them confirmed yes he is won alottery in US, others replied that they don't knbow about a lottery but came to know that he is having a property in US also some fule-stations and minor things. He was a sheep-man (who is servant of elders of Villages to make sheeps roaming daily inmountains) before he went to US. Now he won due to using money, his case is still pending in election commission tribunal. Even he is freed of charges, Nazim is nothing, nothing special as mentioned by my fellows earlier. An appropriate action for deletion of this artilce musttake place now. The article is nothing more then a debatless for some voters who are just voting withut any specefic reason other then being involved in personalising. Begu Khel 21:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete If we start adding Nazim on Wikipedia, we will for sure be adding thousands of pages daily. According Local Government Ordinance of Pakistan a Nazim is having powers of Grade (BPS-20) officer. Nazim have no right to interfare in divisional or provincial political affairs even. There is a restriction of Matriculation for Nazim, while for Pakistan Civil Services one need to be passing the competetive Central Superior Services! examination. For Members of Pronvial Assemblies, Naional Assemblies and Senate, in Pakistan, one need to contest an election and candidates for such elections need to be holder of Bchelors Degree. This shows the real difference that how less is Nazim delaing with. They (Nazims) are just restricted to use some powers, previously those were with prestigious Assistant or Deputy Commissioners. Recently, in one of the debate here on Wikipedia, concluded that Grade-20 officer is not at all a prominent.Eventhoug, there are such officers in 20-Scale, that they are looking there department as Incharge of it for whole Pakistan. Inshort, I will surely, ask for Speedy Deletion of this article. It also seems to be copy from a baseless-link. Begu Khel 19:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC) What if it is my 9th edit? Are you all OK? You must know that I am eligible to vote, my case is different if compared with others. Begu Khel 20:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Votes by users with very few edits

Comment. There is absolutely no relevance whatsoever between what you User:Begu Khel are saying and what the contents of this article are. Wouldn't you agree that he (1) passes the Google test by a huge margin (2) has a fairy tale life (3) has an international fame, and lastly (4) is after all an elected Nazim of a District. Please dont confuse both a government servant and an elected figure. --Marwatt 17:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


  • Strong Delete as per nomination and as per voted by majority. Krishan Raj 08:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Probable sockpuppet: This user account started on Nov 12 with a first edit to another user's talk page. --Mereda 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC). Also note that this is user's 2nd edit. utcursch | talk 13:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Absolutely fulfills the criteria of WP:BIO. 100% bad faith nomination. --Mina Khel 17:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Another sockpuppet: This SPA started on Nov 12. --Mereda 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC). Also note that this is user's 3rd edit. utcursch | talk 13:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep. I dont understand as to why this article was nominated in the first place. The person has a status of celebrity. I totally agree with mereda and zak. The article deserves to be in wikipedia. --Aiditor 18:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Comment: I have to say this looks like a sockpuppet too as a user account that's rarely in use. Sorry if I've got that wrong! --Mereda 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Sock Puppet Verified. Just check the User: Aiditor's user-page. Then see the history, in one date you will notice so many changes and the starter of that page is no-one else then User:Marwatt. The administration must take action against his sock-puppetry deed. Thanks USer:MeredaA M. Khan 19:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Not verified -- verification can be done only through a proper Request for Checkuser. I'd like to point out that this is user's 37th edit. utcursch | talk 13:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy and Strong Dlete The article should be delete now. There are majority of fake votes casted for the favour of """Keep""". I think it's too much to know about a conspiracy which is to make this article keep. Eventhough, I think theer is no strong debate made nor defended in favour of this article. The debate that is in favour of deletion is a very tough. Requesting here to delete the article on true norms. Begu Khel 20:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
    • User's second comment; see above. Postdlf 20:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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