Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Identified

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep With the confirmation of the album title it is obvious this vote is heading towards keep, although I would have prefered more information. If any objections, it can be still discussed for a merge or deletion review. --JForget 00:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Identified

Identified (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Also Identified (Vanessa Hudgens album) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

No reliable sources. All quoted sources are blogs, that seem to track back to one source: the unreliable www.tommy2.net. Kww (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• Finally ... a source!. It's from day's after the article was created, so they did it backwards, but finally, Vanessa Hudgens confirms the title in an interview.

Keep.Kww (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Vanessa Hudgens. Checking out the sources, though, this does not seem to be a verifiable thing. The sources look made up, and one of them is even a LiveJournal. It still doesn't pass the criteria of WP:MUSIC#Albums. When the album is confirmed by major sources, then we can start an article. phoenixMourning ( ^talk/_contribs ) 14:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment:If the title has no reliable source, why a redirect?Kww (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete No coverage in any reliable sources right now; WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I checked her "official fan website" (http://www.vanessa-hudgens.com) and they said that it's completed though. I don't think it's very reliable, as things and people associated with the Disney Channel and Radio Disney spread rumors like wildfire. phoenixMourning ( ^talk/_contribs ) 16:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment It's listed there as "Sophomore Album" with a "rumoured title of Identified". Not sufficient to justify an article with this title.Kww (talk) 18:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Still just a fan-site (despite its impressive name), but it has been upgraded to the title there. Still no sources from the record label.Kww (talk) 00:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. 16:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC) phoenixMourning

Comment ...and like I said, it's not very reliable. Thanks for agreeing :). phoenixMourning ( ^talk/_contribs ) 23:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:CRYSTAL.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 02:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep- This is the title of her new album and if you type Vanessa Hudgens Identified in on google, you will find millions of sources. Piece-of-Me-08 (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep - It has now been confirmed by Vanessa herself. Exclusive_474 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

All anybody needs to do is cite just ONE reliable source and this debate would be over. Just don't state they exist - point to one that meets wiki WP:RS requirements.--NrDg 07:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete — No reliable sources. Fails WP:MUSIC#Albums and WP:V. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 13:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete - As said before, it fails WP:Music because their is no reliable sources reporting it --Kanonkas :  Take Contact  18:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - We now have confirmation that the album will be called Identified but we don't have a reference that we can actually use in an article as the reference is a copyright infringement of Disney Radio property. We need a reference we can legally link to still and not stumble over contributory copyright infringement. WP:COPYRIGHT#Linking_to_copyrighted_works --NrDg
  • Comment I agree that we shouldn't generally directly link to a Youtube video. I'm satisfied with a reference directly to the Radio Disney interview. No real difference between that and linking to a print source.Kww (talk) 21:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment The difference is that a print source has archives and a full cite will give all the information necessary for a physical archive lookup to verify the content. The radio interview is transient and therefore unverifiable even if we give complete information. We need a trusted person, aka a reliable source, to assert they heard the interview and can vet the contents. Unfortunately none of us can do that even though we have all heard the interview and I, NrDg, assert the information is correct. --NrDg 21:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Use "Vanessa Hudgens, Interview, Radio Disney, 2008-04-11." as a reference for now until we get something better. --NrDg 23:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - The title is officially announced. Surfer-boy94 09:02 (UTC) 14 April 2008
• Keep - Vanessa has confirmed the title herself. Motion-In-The-Ocean 04:06 (UTC) 15 April 2008
• Keep - This is the title of the album. As said above, Vanessa has confirmed it. Insomniatic_999 09:42 (UTC) 15 April 2008

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.