Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Cresswell

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 07:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Cresswell

• Delete Composer does not appear to be notable enough. very few (5 or less) hits on google Bwithh 05:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I have looked up the Australia New Zealand database which came up with some articles in The Mercury about pieces he has written. While he is still studying at the conservatorium, in my view he is notable enough. Capitalistroadster 06:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. . Capitalistroadster 06:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. If CR says this guy is noteworthy, that's good enough for me. The original entry wasn't more than a single-sentence nanostub which the author politely asked to have "unblocked." It could still use some cleanup, but it's a good start. - Lucky 6.9 06:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is about educating and sharing of knowledge. There is a deep lack of accurate information available regarding Australian composers and performers. Please consider the possibility that a lack of google hits does not equate to the importance or noteriety of an individual.

Brian Orchy—Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Orchy (talk • contribs) UTC 05:49, 31 October 2005

• Keep. I'll take Roadster's word for it, and agree with Brian Orchy that Google's not the best tool for finding information about some topics; composers who don't work with pop or rock music are unfortunately all too often one of them. (And Brian, please sign your votes -- you can do that by typing four tildes, like so: ~~~~ . That'll add your name and the time to your comment.) -- Captain Disdain 08:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Try looking on Australian google and you still only get 600 hits. And they include furniture makers named Ian Cresswell, Assistant Fisheries secretary called Ian Cresswell, Angling coaches called Ian Cresswell and not very many for the PhD student in Music Compostion called Ian Cresswell. He may well become notable but he is not yet. Not even in Oz. Marcus22 10:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Ambi 12:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep -- Ian ≡ talk 13:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep based on my trust in CR. I do also agree that the Google test doesn't get everything right. Jacqui ^{★ 15:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)}
• Delete. Ignoring the Google test, as a musician and music student myself I regret to say that I simply am not aware of this gentleman having done anything worthy of note. I have neither seen him mentioned in any journals, nor come across any of his compositions; indeed, I had not heard of him before I read the article, and I regret to say that we cannot possibly have an article on every single music graduate that ever existed. If I had even heard of one or two of his compositions, or heard that he had obtained a resident composer or musical directorship position with a (reasonably) notable orchestra outside of Wikipedia, I would not advocate deletion. As talented as this fellow be, I fear he does not meet the Wikipedia levels of notability that are usually expected of musicians. --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 15:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - verifiable. Trollderella 16:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep as per Capitalistroadster--A Y Arktos (Talk) 19:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per NicholasTurnbull. -- Kjkolb 19:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per Nicholas Turnbull. The argument to keep seems to be that he's turned up in the paper and he's won a few awards. Well, so have my art professors, but they're not in Wikipedia (and I don't think they should be). Just doesn't pass the notability test for me. Will be happy to revote in a few years. :) —BrianSmithson 21:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

It would still appear that detractors of Mr Cresswell are still relying on internet based sources. My intention is to ADD an internet based source so people can find out about Mr Cresswell. For those in need of academic support, there is discussion of Ian Cresswell's piano concerto in Larry Sitsky's book (details as follows):

Australian piano music of the twentieth century / Larry Sitsky. BOOK Westport, CT : Praeger, 2005. xviii, 335 p. : ill., music ; 24 cm. 0-313-32286-4 Bibliography: p. 283-292. Includes index. AMC Library number: REF 786.20994/1

Brian Orchy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.149.168 (talk • contribs)

• Comment Brian, there are no "detractors" of Mr Cresswell. No-one here has any feelings one way or the other. There are just arguments for deleting or keeping this article. As to the Internet: we all rely on the internet for sources unless we happen to the subject of an article personally. Marcus22 08:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep based largely on trusting User:Capitalistroadster's judgement. Perhaps a review after the article has a chance to expand is in order. Jkelly 00:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Avoid systemic bias. He's notable. "A few awards" is enough to get to that point. - Sensor 02:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Capitalistroadster. -- DS1953 ^talk 04:13, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Not yet notable. One of the awards is from ANU -- his undergrad institution -- awarded to the "leading composition student" each year. The other, I was not able to identify. pfctdayelise 12:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.