Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPSOS

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, with no consensus to merge. Daniel→♦ 10:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

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An article about a "magical formula" apparently used in Thelema, apparently an esoteric system of belief of some sort. No indication that this magical formula is, as such, notable. Possibly merge somewhere, but I wouldn't know where to, since the article is very much written in an "in-universe" style, so to speak, and difficult to parse for nonbelievers. Sandstein 23:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

*merge to Magical formula might be a good idea. It's very little to merge into a very sparse article, so that seems fair. Forking back to a separate article would be fine in future if they can create more content. Also BTW, this page needs a disambig - there is a polling firm named IPSOS-Reid which is referred to in a couple articles as simply "IPSOS". AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment. When I saw your note, I checked it out and added the disambiguation to the article. IPSOS-Reid is redlinked though, so it appears they need an article to be started. --Parsifal _Hello 03:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong names. Ipsos is the global company, and Ipsos-Reid is the Canadian one. I don't know how to create a disambig page, but a disambig at the top of this article probably isn't a good idea. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 15:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

They DAB could stay where it is and the company article name could be changed to IPSOS (corporation) or something like that. It doesn't seem to be worth a full separate disambiguation page for only two versions of a word. --Parsifal _Hello 18:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• merge to Ordo Templi Orientis (Typhonian) perhaps? It seems like this article is fairly minimal and could do with some additional material. The IPSOS article might be better merged with that to form a more comprehensive whole. Coldmachine^Talk 00:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that, I agree with the above (merge to Magical formula). The article Ordo Templi Orientis (Typhonian) is more concerned with an organisation/entity than with practice. Coldmachine^Talk 07:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Carlossuarez46 17:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Do not merge. This article is a stub, but it satisfies WP:Notable and WP:V. There is no Wiki policy that encourages deletion of stubs, in fact stubs are encouraged when the topic is notable so editors can add information. This topic is notable in that even as a stub, it already has a couple references, including a mention by the notable author Kenneth Grant, in regards to the notable organization Ordo Templi Orientis. The stub should not be merged into the article Magical formula. That article contains wikilinks to many separate articles about individual magical formulas. Each has its own meaning and use. A few of them do not yet have articles, but it is clear that eventually they will. If all of that information for each of the magical formulas were merged into the one main article, it would be extremely long and difficult. Some of the magical formulas are already long articles themselves. Notable, verifiable. Keep and do not merge. --Parsifal _Hello 03:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Re-edited my initial note to soften my stance on the do not merge part of it. After further review, there is room for now at Magical formula to include the information so a completely separate article is not strongly needed. I still prefer it as a separate article, but my initial statement may have been a bit too strong on that point. --Parsifal _Hello 04:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I see the article has already been expanded since last night. It's looking more interesting and more like it should be kept and not merged. --Parsifal _Hello 18:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• weak keep or merge to Magical formula. It does have a bit better content, and while there are no inline cites yet, at least there are references at the bottom now. I'm okay with keeping or merging at this point. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Article is well written and has more content/context now. It has the possibility to be expanded upon a bit in future. Magical formula is such a general article this one formula wouldn't be discussed in any detail, so interesting content for wikipedia would be lost.Merkinsmum 17:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Parsifal and Merkinsmum. GlassFET 20:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Meets notability standard and is an interesting stub that can be expanded when material becomes available. --Renee 02:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. In present form it is an interesting stub that is referenced by two books which appear to be WP:RS for the subject. That's two more books than the average Wikipedia article, it seems. However, the article seems confusing, since I have no background in the subject, and it would be good to have inline citations. Buddhipriya 06:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.