Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IK Makkabi Stockholm

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Titoxd(?!?) 20:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IK Makkabi Stockholm

Non-notable minor amateur football club playing in level 8 of the Swedish football pyramid. As a comparison, English football clubs are only considered notable if playing in level 10 or above, and England has about five times more players than Sweden. – Elisson • Talk 15:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment: Wrong, English clubs are listed even at levels 11 and twelve (The 61 F.C. (Luton)). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and resource for information. NYC2TLV 07:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    • You have to know that there are clubs that have either been playing at a higher level, or that have not been AfDed. That is no reason for this article to be kept. See WP:CORP, clubs playing at level 11 or higher need to be notable in other ways than playing in their league. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, yes. Wikipedia is a resource for information, yes. What support does that give to keep this article? Please read WP:N. – Elisson • Talk 11:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I am the articles creator and disagree with this deletion because this club is not just a minor league football club but also an establishment that was crucial in the development of the Maccabi World Union in Sweden as well as an outlet and part of history of the Jews in Sweden. I can understand that this isn't so obvious based on the little information that was posted on the page. – NYC2TLV • Talk 21:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I can't see how this club is an important part of the history of Jews in Sweden. Care to explain? – Elisson • Talk 20:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. Give us some WP:RS. Punkmorten 10:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: See also KSC Maccabi Antwerp, Sport Club Maccabi Bruxelles, TuS Maccabi e.V. Düsseldorf, TuS Bar Kochba Nürnberg and Maccabi Paris. All seem equally non-notable. Punkmorten 10:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No verifiable evidence of notability. Should show something like newspaper articles to document importance.Edison 20:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep In accordance with much of football's significance worldwide, this club's notability is cultural rather than sporting. DublinDilettante 14:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
    • In what way is this club notable in a cultural way? There are tens of other "ethnic" clubs in Stockholm alone. What makes this so special compared to those? Or in fact, special in a cultural way compared to any other football club at level 8? – Elisson • T • C • 15:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
      • It's notable as a vestigial of a cultural phenomenon (the Jewish sports club) which is almost extinct in Europe (unlike other "ethnic" sporting associations.) See http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/jewish-ww.html#Sweden DublinDilettante 20:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
        • What you try to say is "it is notable because it is Jewish"? I still can't see that. – Elisson • T • C • 22:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Listify/merge to list of Maccabi sports teams or something like that. Punkmorten 13:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, regardless of other peoples comments, these clubs are the pinnacle of developement for the Maccabiah and are historically important members of Jewish society in the diaspora. SpeechFreedom 18:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Still no source whatsoever that this particular club has been notable in the Swedish Jewish community in any way. To the closing admin, note that this user has exactly zero edits since late June, until this AfD. – Elisson • T • C • 20:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. – Elisson • T • C • 20:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as it stands the article does not assert the club's claim to notability. Qwghlm 20:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Well below the bar for notability of football clubs, fails WP:V. Oldelpaso 21:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Per reasons above. HornetMike 00:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - far too far down the food chain to be notable. BTW Has someone opened the sock drawer? BlueValour 03:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - if we have minor-league baseball teams (which we do, and definitely should), why not minor league soccer teams? Especially if they have a cultural importance. -Patstuart 03:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • We have plenty of articles on teams in minor leagues (take a look at some of the football club categories), but generally not this minor. This club plays in the eighth level of Swedish football, way way down from the professional level. The article Swedish football league system lists leagues down to level 5, with 28 teams playing at level 3, 72 teams at level 4 and 144 at level 5. Hundreds if not thousands of Swedish teams play at a higher level. Oldelpaso 17:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Around 2000 teams play at the same level or a higher level than this club. – Elisson • T • C • 18:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - reason as per Qwghlm, above --MLD 12:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Jewishness alone does not equal notability. As the club is non-notable in every other way the article should go. aLii 17:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.