Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyperion Hotel (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There was a clear consensus that the page should be kept. The overall view was that the real-world context was sufficient. TerriersFan (talk) 21:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperion Hotel

The article contains in-universe information about a fictional concept. Since the first AfD, no convincing secondary sources have been added to the article, nor is there any clear real-world context. B. Wolterding (talk) 08:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. (Yes, I know it's not strictly speaking a character) -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to Angel (TV series), as per WP:FICTION. No real world notability is claimed for this fictional location.--Fabrictramp (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • AGree. Delete as above. Eusebeus (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep While "lack of real-world context" is a oft-used blunt weapon in the AfD arsenal against fictional entities, it seems to me that this article actually does contain real world context about the external filming location and the production rationale about the Hyperion's creation and design. I've found these Buffy and Angel articles quite easy to reference as there are so many books about the the series... yes, I'll have a look through some and add what I can. --Canley (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Real-world information such as the above is important for following the guidelines for writing about ficiton. The key for demonstrating notability, though, is secondary sources independent of the production. It is easy to get the two kinds of needed information confused, given how much shorthand gets slung around in AfDs. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as per above.Londo06 22:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unless evidence of real-world notability is provided. (The filming location doesn't exactly count.) Terraxos (talk) 05:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep sure the filming location counts, Production information like that is exactly the sort of external real world information tha is appropriate and in fact very much wanted. DGG (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree that information like this is wanted. However, I disagree that there's sufficiently much information here to support notability. This information is contained in just one line in the trivia, and based on a two-paragraph source. Why would this warrant an entire article? If this piece of information is really so important, it can easily be mentioned in the main article on the TV show. --B. Wolterding (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per the consensus reached in the previous discussion and notability to people in the real world. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per preceding. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - per arguments detailed by editors above.Fronsdorf (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.