Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyatt Regency Belgrade

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Deathphoenix ʕ 19:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hyatt Regency Belgrade

Hotels belong in WikiTravel Fram 13:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete -- per nom -- MrDolomite 14:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Specific hotel articles are clearly not necessary. Wikitravel or whatever it. Wickethewok 14:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - It is a notable hotel in that city. However, if this article must be deleted, then all others shall be as well. You can find some at Category:Hotels in Canada, or even Category:Hotels by country. So if this article has to go, then all of those other articles qualify for deletion as well. --Krytan talk 15:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki or Delete. This reads like an ad. --Coredesat 20:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Why should we delete it. If you are so worried about the article then why don't you just delete the whole hotel section for every single country. Someone actually put some time and effort to do this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by LukaP (talk • contribs)
• Please note that transwikiing to Wikitravel is not an option; it's not a Wikimedia Foundation project and uses a different license. [1] Furthermore, Wikitravel wouldn't want this as a separate article anyway; hotels get coverage there but not separate articles. [2] Also, "oppose" is considered an unclear preference; I think the two "oppose" commenters meant "keep" instead. That being said, delete per Wickethewok and Coredesat. --Metropolitan90 01:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Strangely enough, only the hotels in Belgrade are being categorized for deletion, even though there aren't that many Belgrade hotel articles... It is a shame, really, and unfair. So just to be fair, I've categorized the Ritz Carlton hotel in Toronto for deletion, the Chateau Frontenac, and I'm on my way to do more. It is the only fair thing to do. Clearly they don't go by policies of Wikipedia. --Krytan talk 04:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually responsible for nominating two of the Belgrade hotels because I just happened to look there and it so happens that a few of those articles simply include travel info like number of rooms, location and services to guests. That's content for WikiTravel as stated in the guidelines. Interestingly, the Chateau Frontenac that you proposed for deletion is a perfect example of a hotel that deserves an article. The notability of the Chateau Frontenac does not stem from the fact that it is a hotel but from the fact that it is the most recognized symbol of Quebec City, is an example of a distinct architectural style and was host to an important meeting of Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt. In contrast, the Hyatt Regency Belgrade is a 15 year old building whose claim to fame seems to be internet access, a pool and 24 hour room service.Pascal.Tesson 17:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

You have nothing to worry about, the Chateau Frontenac won't even get deleted in the end. Instead of nominating an article for deletion, you could have requested a re-write maybe. However, you go along nominating for deletion instead, because apparently it reads like an ad. Well, how else would you describe the hotel without listing the number of rooms and location? By the way, yes, I've removed the afd from the Frontenac. I've actually been there more than once, and it was a great experience. --Krytan talk 19:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep even if it does look like an ad. Major hotels in national capitals are probably notable enough for an article, but this one should be rewritten in a more encyclopedic format. Cortomaltais 18:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This is an advert. What references could we use to verify any comprehensive exposition of the topic? Fails WP:CORP, the most relevent current guideline (hotel notability still an essay). Hotels are not notable just because they exist. Inner Earth 14:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The AfD tag should not be used instead of a {{cleanup}} tag. A 5 star hotel may very well meet WP:CORP. However the article needs a good cleanup to be sure. Vegaswikian 23:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't use the AfD tag instead of the Cleanup one. For cleanup, it has to be notable to start with. What arguments do you have for its notability? Furthermore, look carefully at WP:CORP: this hotel fails WP:CORP, the chain is the one that needs (and has) an article. (See Chains and Franchises in there). Fram 05:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per above. --JJay 22:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I just realized I had not stated my opinion clearly. As a reply to those recommending to keep, I want to remind everyone that there is no reason whatsoever to assume that a 5-star hotel meets the WP:CORP criteria. Furthermore the precedents specifically mention that as a general rule information about hotels belongs in WikiTravel. Of course, I am open to arguments explaining why this hotel has specific notability which would make it an exception to that rule but that point has yet to be made. User:Krytan has voted for keep, which of course he has every right to, but also has correctly pointed out that many hotel articles need to go. He has nominated two hotels in Toronto for deletion, at least one of those is a very legitimate AfD candidate WP:Articles for deletion/Central Hotel, Toronto and is getting much support for deletion. Why does his reasonning not apply in this case? Pascal.Tesson 19:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.