Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human (Star Wars)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete, which defaults to "keep". Valid arguments given on both sides of the debate of equal value, cannot find enough justification to delete or merge content. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Human (Star Wars)

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This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and is just a repetition of the plot sections of Star Wars novel articles. This article is purely trivia and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Redundant plot summary and trivia. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The role of humans in the Star Wars universe is hugely notable and I have planted a few seeds in the article to demonstrate this. Colonel Warden (talk) 05:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You must be joking...the references you have added belong in the article on Star Wars or the first movie, and how some author can establishe that all the actors are "non-jewish" without proof is silly. That's not proof at all, as it does not actually demonstrate something about this topic in particular. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Notable part of hugely notable series. Hobit (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep due to assertions of notability through reliable sources and also because trivia is encyclopedic. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Merge whatever last-ditch cited material (like the recently added stuff) to Star_Wars#Feature_films and redirect there. Humans by themselves are not notable; cited material about dramatic role is more appropriate included in the films' production info. --EEMIV (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Other related articles such as Star Wars are too big already. They should therefore be broken down into smaller topics like this series which describes the races/species of the Star Wars universe. Humans are obviously the most important of these, with the most real-world impact, and so this proposal is ridiculous. As you indicate, it is ordinary content editing which is required, not deletion. Thank you for your keep !vote. :) Colonel Warden (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete This is silly. The article doesn't establish the notability of humans in Star Wars. Most works of fiction feature mainly humans. (Where is my Human (Hamlet) article?) This article rambles on and on in an in-universe tone about various plot points, characters and alien races. Once you remove that, you are left with a sentence or two. Merge to somewhere else if you really want to, but delete this fancruft. --Phirazo 18:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Lengthy summary of plot points about fictional versions of species. Notability is not established through significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. I suspect the references listed are merely passing mention or about Star Wars in general as it is doubtful there are works which focus on the human race specifically. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 21:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The book The Science of Star Wars: An Astrophysicist's Independent Examination of Space Travel, Aliens, Planets, and Robots as Portrayed in the Star Wars Films and Books devotes many pages to the subject of humans in the Star Wars universe, including a few pages (pp. 20-23) analyzing whether humans (assuming earthlike biology) could be able to survive on the variety of planetary environments portrayed in the stories (this coverage can be verified using the "Search inside this book" link at Amazon.com). Given that there are three more references cited in the article itself, I don't doubt that there is sufficient coverage in reliable sources for an article on this subject. Oh, and we don't have an article on Human (Hamlet) because Hamlet, like the majority of fictional stories, take place on Earth and are about Earth-bound humans, which is a subject covered adequately in the Human article. (Although an article on Shakespeare's portrayal of humanity in general would probably not be unreasonable.) "Humans" living "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." that do not clearly have anything to do with Earth humans other than having a similar appearance, are indeed a different subject entirely. DHowell (talk) 20:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Eeek. Get it out of my sight! Speedily! Seriously though: No. This just does not belong. dorftrottel (talk) 00:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep the articles on the list of races in the star wars universe is already several articles and this can not be added back. Zginder 2008-06-02T01:48Z (UTC)
• Keep per the AFD discussion for Human (Star Trek), also initiated by JudgeSurreal. AFD is still not cleanup. SashaNein (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep because the article has a lot of potential with the mass media coverage of the Star Wars saga. If it was an article about humans in something like The Godfather trilogy (taken another famous movie series), then I would say delete, but the Star Wars humans are apparently different than those in everyday life. –thedemonhog talk • edits 02:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - per --EEMIV's reasoning. Just another dollop of in-universe duplicate material. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.