Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huitzila

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was keep. Mailer Diablo 04:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huitzila

Delete Not notable --Macarion 19:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - We have loads of articles on (arguably non-notable) small towns in the United States. In the interest of fairness and globalization of Wikipedia this one should stay as well. --Loudsox 19:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Green caterpillar 20:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This is not even the municipal seat of one of the 58 municipalities of the state of Zacatecas. It doesn't get much more unnotable than this. BTW, I reject this idea of "keep if there's a bad precedent" based purely on "fairness" and "globalisation", unless it's all enshrined in some WP policy that I'm unaware of (I am willing to be shown the policies involved if so). If we have articles on non-notable towns, villages, hamlets and park benches, they need AfD treatment IMO. --DaveG12345 22:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Neutral per discussion below. --DaveG12345 18:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but perhaps move to Huitzila, Zacatecas like the US towns with City, State? We don't only include county seats for the US towns. This town is notable at least for mescal production. Dpv 22:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Do you have a web link for that, because I failed to find anything notable. Thanks if so. --DaveG12345 23:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Holy excrement! When did a place being small make it deletable? There are places in the US with articles that have a population of zero (see Wikipedia:Unusual articles). As it is, I've extended the article somewhat, but surely a {{expansion}} would hav ebeen more in order than an AFD. Keep. Agree with th suggestion of a Move, since there is another Huitzila further south, close to Mexico City. Grutness...wha? 03:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, I think the one near Mexico City is Huitzilac, with a 'c'. Kuru ^talk 03:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
    • FWIW fallingrain.com's airport guide lists the one further south as Huitzila, which could also be responsible for the article's initial weird comment about this town being 340 km south of Zacatecas (which would put it several states away, close to Mexico City). Grutness...wha? 04:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, population of around 1429 [1], I could probably find dozens of smaller town articles for texas alone. Seems to be easily verifiable. Don't think there's any criteria for city and landmark notability. Definately rename as per above. Kuru ^talk 03:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Do we really keep all locations worldwide no matter how tiny, basically because there's no conflicting policy that says otherwise? This is a genuinely new one on me, and it leads to some odd situations - I've seen several articles about locations deleted vigorously in AfD in the past, and these were of much greater significance than a Californian town with no inhabitants, for example. Admittedly, these weren't Californian locations being deleted...

BTW, the article was originally named Huitzila, Zacatecas but subsequently that became a redirect to the current article because it was determined it was the only place with this name. --DaveG12345 04:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, short answer: yes. There's no real policies on notability, either - only "guidelines". The guideline for towns is noted from precendent in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents (under Cities and shops). You can also look up historical debates on towns that were nominated and read the debates, some of them have much longer answers to your question. The Morristown, Ohio AFD has a good mini-essay from User:Geogre that may be useful. Other samples are: Jackson Center, Pennsylvania, Skonseng, Biancavilla, Les Moutiers-en-Auge, Collydean, Berridale, Sayula, and Mahal. I could not locate an example of a town that was deleted; were any of the locations you mention above actual towns? Could you provide a link to one? Kuru ^talk 23:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks for those links. The articles deleted were, I believe (bit vague, sorry), boroughs or suburbs of UK cities. Notability seemed an issue in those discussions. However, per this AfD, I am not sure notability should have been an issue at all. A suburb can have a demonstrably stronger significance as a local identity, population, bunch of buildings, etc., whatever you like, as compared to a "town" with nobody living there, as an extreme example. I will bear in mind what has been said here. But, IMO, if a suburb of a city that may hold (say) 10,000 people can warrant deletion, that shows some kind of hole in current policy/precedent re WP locations. But thanks again. --DaveG12345 01:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Kaukau veld was deleted but that's the only place I've seen be hit. Housing estates/subdivisions are also usually considered nn. IIRC, UK suburbs are deleted since they are considered part of the town and thus properly covered in its article, but I could be wrong. Eluchil404 02:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and rename Huitzila, Zacatecas per Kuru, Grutness, and others above. It's verifiable and combats systematic bias. ×Meegs 09:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep verifiable towns and villiages should be kept. Eluchil404 02:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.