Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hueneme High School

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The result was keep. --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hueneme High School

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Non notable high school in california. No major events have occured at the school and no major recognition has been given it aside from the existence of some somewhat notable former students (as most schools have). Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Keep I know it's not official policy, but secondary school tend to be notable in nature. Wildthing61476 (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment Not to start any arguments but on what basis is that? I fail to see any rationale for why a secondary school, without sources that show it as notable due to recognition, controversy, etc to be any more notable than any other number of bands, companies, nonprofits, and so on that fail WP:N.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:OUTCOMES...which you can verify for yourself here...and here. --Smashville^BONK! 20:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Outcomes illustrates nothing other than that most of these AFDs never reach consensus. That's a far cry from tending to be notable in nature. Honestly its just another variation of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Just because other articles of similar topic have passed/failed/stalled in their AFDs doesn't provide much of a bearing on this one, and certainly NOT on notability. Notability is established by looking at an article and what kind of recognition it receives/warrants.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you really go through all 11,000 of them that quickly? The fact of the matter is that if you even go back for the year of 2007...you most likely won't find one that was deleted on AfD (I went back to MayAugust when I was researching before). So...yes, it does matter if a consensus has been established. It's not WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, it's a consensus. --Smashville^BONK! 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't take any level of tedium to see that a massive portion of these AFDs (seems to be most of them, and WP:OUTCOMES seems to agree) just die. That's NOT consensus. You can't show consensus without establishing a level of agreement between editors. Last time I checked inaction is not akin to agreeing on a cource of action. Its anything from apathy to laziness to simply being unaware of a situation.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Reluctant keep. "Reluctant" because this article is one of those select few that suck up time and energy better spent elsewhere, reverting the permanent re-addition of Dr. Joseph De Soto. "Keep" for the same reason we keep railway stations; because schools of this size are virtually always notable within their community, and invariably have multiple, independent, non-trivial sources, if anyone can actually be bothered to dig them out. The only reason it's not official policy, as mentioned above, is because nobody can agree on what the precise wording of WP:SCHOOLS should be. — iridescent 21:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is not established beyond alumni, which is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Find me a independent resource to establish notability and I'll happily change my vote. -Verdatum (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Per Oni Ookami Alfador and the idea that we should only be deleting things were notability is unlikely, not just that it hasn't appeared yet. It is very likely that any given High School is notable for something. Hobit (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Personally I think most of these high schools should be deleted, but it seems the consensus is that they are notable while elementary and middle schools are not. -- Dougie WII (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Beyond the 'high schools are inherently notable' argument which I ascribe to, there is additional notability from the fact that the record for most rushing yards in an American football game was held by a player playing for this school. matt91486 (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Alumni list now sourced. If an institution produces multiple notable alumni, there certainly is something to be said about it. • Gene93k (talk) 22:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Secondary schools are always notable. Malinaccier (talk) 00:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep With the SF Chronicle article and sourcing of 4 alumni (each notable enough to have their own entry) there's enough secondary sourcing to meet notability requirements, both general and the latest proposal for a school specific guideline. Also with an urban school with 2000+ students I don't think it's going too far out on a limb to presume there's more sources available.--Cube lurker (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Partial solution to rampant deletionism. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This school easily meets WP:N and our standards for verifiability. RFerreira (talk) 05:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.