Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hubert Meyer

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 06:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hubert Meyer

I put prod tag on article but that was removed without any discussion. From what I can see he was just an officer in the SS. I don't see any notability here. Dismas|(talk) 03:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

    • Keep He was an important military figure and a COMMANDER of the 12 SS division during WWII!! A Lieutenant Colonel mentioned in the entry 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend. Also, he is mentioned in Waffen SS Commanders Vol.2 - Mark C. Yerger Pgs.104-106 and he is the author of the definitive history of the 12.SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend", called 12. SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend" - (in German). ----Bolekpolivka 03:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Keep He was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Division. Karl Meyer was commanding officer. (Although Hubert did have operational field command after Karl was captured, per 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend). Nevertheless he is notable because of his high rank in this division, which is notable for two things: (i) first German division drawn from the Hitler Youth and (ii) was in Normandy on D-day. 12th division was under personal command of Hitler, who was in Germany and did not order it into battle to contest the Allied landings until it was too late (for him, anyway). This was one of the classic military blunders of all time. --JChap 03:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable enough. --Terence Ong 03:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think his military rank was high enough to make him notable by itself, and he doesn't get even a one-liner in the 1,200+ pages of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. However, he did write a multi-volume book in German about the history of the 12th SS division (Kriegsgeschichte der 12. SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend", ISBN 3921242517 and also reprinted in 1996 [1]), which someone found notable enough to translate into English and publish in two separate editions with different publishers (The 12th SS : the history of the Hitler Youth Panzer Division, 1994 ISBN 0921991185, 2005 ISBN 0811731987). WorldCat finds 22 copies of the first German version (all in libraries from English-speaking countries) and 42 of the 2005 English version. Amazon has the 2005 reprint ranked at ~90k, which isn't horrible. s such, Keep for apparently meeting published author guidelines. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 03:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep The fact that someone took the trouble to translate his non-trivial book from German to English should be adequate proof of notability. Paddles TC 07:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable. michaelCurtis talk+ contributions 09:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Seems a little notable to me, besides it was a red link before. Equendil 10:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - At least marginally notable SS officer and commander (thought not for any prominent atrocities), mentioned in historical chronicles and also as a military historian. Military rank does not mean everything - note that, for example, Otto Skorzeny had the same rank - Skysmith 12:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, meets author guidelines. Vizjim 13:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep if expanded. Xyrael T 16:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep the position and the book combined probably qualify him as notable Trebor 17:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, An article of good historical value. People who nominate articles , such as this one, for deletion seem to be more and more ridiculous. This officer was an important persona and did win the German Cross - one of the elite German decorations!! By the way, looking at the article's history; Dismas nominated the article for deletion while it was still beeing edited. Maybe next time, he/she should read it more carefully before taking such actions!! 162.84.165.231 00:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: If the editor wanted to they could easily have put the {{inuse}} tag on it to show that they were still working on it. Otherwise there is no way of knowing that they are still sitting at their computer working on another edit of the article. Also, one of the biggest arguments thus far for keeping this article is Mr. Meyer's work as an author which was not in the article when I nominated it. Dismas|(talk) 05:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.