Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Prayer Christian Church

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House of Prayer Christian Church

Church in Georgia. No apparent claims to notability. Delete. DMG413 14:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep, as the expanded article explains what the church is and why it is notable. --DMG413 01:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. nn. Bucketsofg
  • Keep Can you give me a chance to develop the page please? I'm not sure I understand why it should be deleted. I have a lot of information about this group that I am compiling. Perhaps it's because I'm new to Wikipedia and I am not doing this correctly? Please advise. Hanako
  • Delete per nom, but I'd be happy to change my view if Hanako fills out the article before the close of the AfD. While every article is theoretically "a work in progress" on Wikipedia, it is best to at least have the basic establishment of notability and why it should be included in the encyclopedia, even in a stub, as is, it does not. -Dawson 20:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Change to Keep and expand, per Hanako & JJ. -Dawson 20:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This is not a church as in one building or the people who worship in that building. It's actually a small denomination. See the end of New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc Seano1 00:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand Check this out: [1]... 53,000 google hits. It'a appparently quite the striking organization. Ronabop 01:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll change my vote if convinced that this is a notable subject. The Google search seems too wide, though - a search for "House of Prayer Christian Church" pulls up just 153 hits, the first few of which are for a San Antonio church, not the Georgia one. --DMG413 02:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
      • This is not just one Church in Georgia, it a denomination with almost 200 Churchs. Seano1 04:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom.Tombride 02:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not Notable. --GorillazFanAdam 04:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete nn. --James 04:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Come back when it's Westminster Abbey. Denni ☯ 03:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc has always experienced a high attrition rate among its ministry and membership, and in 2004 they experienced a sizeable schism when a segment of their ministers withdrew and formed House of Prayer Christian Church which is comprised of military-oriented churches and based in Hinesville, Georgia. As of March 2006, the church had less than 5,000 constituents and not more than 150 churches/preaching points. However, they were ranked as the fifth most active topic thread among hundreds of religious groups on FACTNet, which is a counter-cult Internet bulletin board.
Just as the Catholic Church is not just a building in Room; the House of Prayer Christian Church is actually between 100 and 150 local churches. That’s why Google returns a page about a church in San Antonio. It also means comparing this article to an article on Westminster Abbey is misleading. This subject is not claiming to be notable because it’s a land mark, be because it’s a national organization. Seano1 19:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Given the schism and the 100s of Churches involved we obviously need this article. I hope that it is expanded pronto. -- JJay 19:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Expanded, and more forthcoming. Thank you. Hanako

"Pentacostal" in the intro line needs to be corrected to "Pentecostal." Thank you.

  • Keep please. I am the author of the article on NTCC, HOP's parent church. The numbers cited above apply to NTCC, not HOP. HOP's numbers are roughly 10 to 20 percent of NTCC's. But both groups proselyte aggresively, and so affect much larger numbers of people than those they currently claim as members. Rin3guy
  • Delete 18-month old, nn church. Eusebeus 13:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Eusebeus what does nn mean? no-name? These zealots actively solicit on military bases, coming into contact with hundreds of soldiers each week, and chaplains and other military leaders frequently seek for info about this group and its parent church, NTCC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rin3guy (talk • contribs)
  • Keep If this were just one church, I would agree that it's non-notable (nn) and would not argue about it being deleted...but this is an entire denomination who happens to have named themselves "House of Prayer Christian Church". I'm sorry if it sounds like it's singular, but it's not. This group is notable because of it's extremist views and tactics. The article is developing...it is sparse thus far because sources are rare when a group shuts themselves off from the outside world, and doesn't allow any form of media to come in or go out. Thank you for your consideration. Hanako 16:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Shindig Me 19:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Please note that the editor who nominated this for deletion has changed his vote, and struck out the the nomination. Thank you. Hanako 20:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.