Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot Nasties

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The result of the nomination was keep, no valid reasons to delete were provided by the wild flurry of anons. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hot Nasties

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vanity listing, unsubstantiated claims, high school band at best, no recordings, major performaces, air play. Arthur Ellis 12:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Reasons for nomination were changed after discussion had begun. I have reverted this change. If the nominator has other points to make, please make them in the discussion below, not up here. Thank you. ➨ ЯEDVERS 13:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP and Stop the Madness This page MUST stay here this time. Spare me your "vanity listing" horsesh*t. I am not related to Warren Kinsella at all. I am just a journalist, radio show host and punk rock enthusiast since many years ago and The Hot Nasties SURE ARE one of Canada's great punk rock act. They do have a 7" and it's called "The Invasion of the Tribbles" and it sells for about 200 $ on eBay most of the times since it's very rare. It's been put on Frank Manley's "Smash The State" Canadian Punk Anthology LP and 7". There were NOT an "unknown high school band" like Arthur Ellis, whoever he might be, says. Like the Fits, Genetic Control, the Dishrags, they were one of those who defined Canada's punk rock sound. So, Mark Bourrie, please STOP asking for deletion just because of a little conflict you have with Mr Kinsella. I know punk rock way more than you do and my record collection is bigger than yours. You destroyed my work once, I sure won't let you do it twice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.160.237 (talk • contribs) .

• Comment: at the bottom of every edit window you use. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Emphasis mine. --Firien § 12:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete NN. Dionyseus 12:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. From a quick Google and a search of discogs this band does seem notable, in terms of influence in the "Canadian punk scene" (whatever that is). The article just - just - squeezes under the WP:BAND threshold. It also needs some work - sources, a bit of a clean-up - and needs one editor to drop the WP:OWN and another to stop making WP:POINTs, but otherwise it seems fine for Wikipedia. And it's not often you'll hear me say that about any band article. This is clearly an edit war that has spilled over into AfD. ➨ ЯEDVERS 12:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The Evaporators covered one of their songs. Representative of the Calgary Punk Scene in the 80's. Has been a subject of two books, Fury's Hour and Smash the State. And finally had a member that went on to become notable for other things, Warren Kinsella. Meets at least three of the criteria for WP:BAND. Geedubber 13:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep bad faith nomination from repeat edit warrior at Warren Kinsella - CrazyRougeian talk/email 13:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Not bad faith nomination. Is every ex-political aide going to have a Wikipedia page for a high school band? The "punk rock scene" in Calgary, Canada, isn't notable. This band put out one self-issued EP twenty five years ago and none of the band members went on in music. The band is mentioned in a book: an autobiography of one member, who is notable for being an aide to a Canadian politician 15 years ago, before the guy became Prime Minister.
  Summary: no air play; no major performaces; one self-published album; fringe band of high school kids. "Canadian Punk Band" says it all. CRzRussian may say this is personal, but all I'm asking people to do ius look at the entry, see if it's wiki material, and put their opinion here. Leave personality out of it. Arthur Ellis 13:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Will somebody ever shut-up that jerk Arthur Ellis/Mark Bourrie ? The Hot Nasties WERE influential. When author Frank Manley, who wrote “Smash The State : A Discography of Canadian Punk, 1977-92”, decided to release a 7” with influential punk songs, the Hot Nasties is one of the bands he picked among HUNDREDS, along with the Fits, Arson and the Rock and Roll Bitches. The Calgary punk rock scene wasn’t notable? Well, the Golden Calgarians, the Sturgeons, Riot 303, Color Me Psycho, Eye on You, Enemy Mind Feel, Beyond Possession, Forbidden Dimension, Silicone Injection and Verdix ALL hailed from Calgary. And the fact that the band has one self-released EP and was a “fringe band of high school kids” is a reason for deletion? Well, then 75% of all punk rock bands must be deleted cause that’s what punk rock was about: young folks playing loud and obnoxious music so no label wanted to sign them, so they had to do it themselves and self release their albums. That’s what D.I.Y. (Do It Yourself) is all about and it’s an important part of punk rock. None of the band members went on in music? UNTRUE. Alan McDonald played in the Sturgeons. No Air Play? Do you know ANY early punk bands who got Airplay? That IS the reason why punk bands SELF RELEASED their albums. Mentionned in ONE BOOK? NO, it is AT LEAST mentionned in two books, i.e. the Frank Manley book I stated before. Again, this guy Arthur Ellis doesn’t know a thing about punk rock so his opinion on that subject shouldn’t matter. He just wants to cause trouble about everything linked with Warren Kinsella. See the Warren Kinsella listing and how it was locked only because of user Arthur Ellis’ manoeuvers. This IS wiki material and PLEASE stop giving some importance to that guy Arthur Ellis on all topics related to Mr Kinsella. 205.237.53.91 18:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.237.53.91 (talk • contribs)
• CommentKeep since references have been added. If they're notable, surely references can be added? Otherwise, I'd say axe it. WilyD 16:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - interesting triva for a Canadian political junkie. --Ben Houston 16:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. --InShaneee 19:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete NN64.26.170.69 21:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, we don't accept the opinions of non-registered users in this section of Wikipedia, unless that user can offer some degree of useful discussion or expertise we wouldn't otherwise have access to. Thanks for contributing! Why not register for free (it takes about 10 seconds), start contributing and come back here when you've picked up some experience? We'll be grateful to have you! :o) ➨ ЯEDVERS 21:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I have un-struck out the comment by User:64.26.170.69 because we do accept the opinions of non-registered users on AfD, although I can certainly understand why a comment consisting just of "Delete NN" submitted by an anonymous person would be discounted by the closing admin. "Unregistered or new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their recommendations may be discounted, especially if they seem to be made in bad faith (for example, if they misrepresent their reasons). Conversely, the opinions of logged in users whose accounts predate the article's AfD nomination are given more weight." --Metropolitan90 02:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per evidence. Anon needs to cool off. Danny Lilithborne 00:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable by association. I would vote to merge with Kinsella, but the article works OK on its own. Anon makes a good point about DIY punk. --Joelmills 02:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as clearly important to some. — Reinyday, 04:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• DELETE as clearly unimportant as Bulgarian Macarena bands.--142.78.64.58 17:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete obvious vanity listing, no impact, not notable.--64.230.36.153 22:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity listing. No contribution to popular culture, mainstream "punk music".142.78.64.223 15:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• WP:POINT nomination by a personal foe of Warren Kinsella's, with no legitimate basis in reality or WP policy. Notable enough; keep. Bearcat 00:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, bad-faith nomination by a user with an axe to grind against all things connected with Warren Kinsella. Band does have some significance as an early Canadian punk band (and this has been noted by others, including Frank Manley's Smash the State compilation and book) to release (note: pretty much all Canadian punk releases at the time were self-releases/DIY; that was the way to get a record out), tour. Additionally, many of the delete voices on this page come form anon IPs whose main "contributions" have been vandalism of Kinsella-related pages. You do the math. Ianking 06:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Please check the contributions of the IPs before deciding. You will find Ian King misrepresents them. This is a band that existed 25 years ago in a small market in rural Canada. It never left te market to tour. It self-produced one EP. None of its supporters have been able to show it had any shows in any venue at all. None of the band members made a significant contribution to any aspect of the music industry afterwards. One song has been re-recorded by another Canadian "punk" band, which issued the recording on its own label and has not been shown to have any following outside the very, very narrow niche of Canadian retro-punk rock. When this page was offered up for speedy deletion earlier this month, there was not one single comment, and it was actually deleted. Now Warren Kinsella has managed to muster up a few friends, along with the page-writer and his socks.
  In summary: not notable. 209.217.66.150 18:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Actually The Evaporators' cover of Barney Rubble Is My Double was on their Ripple Rock album which was released by Jello Biafra's label, Alternative Tentacles. Geedubber 22:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Someone identifying himself as Mark Bourrie and connecting from that same IP address left a comment over on my weblog around the same time the above comment was added. And yes, I do find it curious that we've got all these similar voices coming from a block of IPs used by one particular ISP's Ottawa-area modem pool. To add to Geedubber's point about the Evaps, Ripple Rock was published in Canada by Mint Records, a successful label that's had about 100 releases (including notables like Neko Case and the New Pornographers) and has been in business for 15 years. Ianking 05:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per Bearcat's comments. --Victoriagirl 19:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per comments user 209.217.66.150. Noty notable in any way. These two (the band and album) are discussed at Warren Kinsella, which is all the notabilityy they have and deserve.209.217.110.236 12:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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