Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horton Edward Cooper

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Majorly (hot!) 21:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horton Edward Cooper

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Non-notable author per WP:BIO. Sounds like a great guy, though.RJASE1 Talk 03:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Non-notable minor historian/teacher. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 04:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete CSD:A7 article makes no claim of notability, no evident basis for such a claim. Pete.Hurd 05:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No assertion of notability. --RaiderAspect 05:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep In the region of Appalachia where he lived he is notable. Seems a bit like systemic bias to delete when Wikipedia keeps articles of very minor characters in TV shows like the Simpsons and Pokemon characters. Understood that WIkipedia is not a directory or just a collection of information - but this article does provide some helpful context to Avery County. Possibly a merge of his contributions into the county article would be an alternative to deletion.Brian0324 13:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

http://www.amazon.ca/North-Carolina-Mountain-Folklore-Miscellany/dp/0930230183 http://www.townsendthepeacefulside.com/cadescove/cultrural_history/curtural_history.htm http://www.library.appstate.edu/appcoll/manuscript/find.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ollis/MISC-OLLISES/averycountync.html

That there is cruft in WP is not an acceptable argument for a race to the bottom by adding more cruft, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Your links above to his books do not show him coming anywhere close to the WP:BIO guideline: "The person has created a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." Pete.Hurd 15:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Point taken. I'll try and incorporate the info that is relevant to Avery County into the article if it is agreeable by all to delete the bio.Brian0324 15:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, there is a relevant quote and reading list on Avery County, North Carolina, now.Brian0324 15:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Hold On The author says that the subject is notable within his region, but how is this demonstrated? There are no sources yet identified, but that's not a specific requisite for continued inclusion. We just have to have a reasonable expectation that we could find some sources in the future to prevent an immediate deletion. Since we use the existence of other publications on the topic as a surrogate for determining whether a topic is notable for WP, the author should convince us that someone has probably written about the subject or his book before - newspaper, magazine, government documents, book on the region. That he wrote books is irrelevant, unless the book(s) received written recognition in the form of reviews, awards, or are very widely cited. Good luck, and if you can make a case, contact me I'll vote keep. Read WP:N for some ideas. --Kevin Murray 21:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The main reason that could be argued for his notability (as he was obviously not famous) is that he wrote a definitive history of a county that has been cited by geneaologists and researchers for the last 35 years. It is difficult to speculate on how significant his body of work was, but if it were the difinitive history of Los Angeles - it might make the cut methinks.Brian0324 14:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I've looked at the offered sources, and not one makes any serious argument for notability; googling didn't turn up any better sources to verify notability. I see no evidence that he is notable even regionally. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • G-hits are just not an indicator of notability for a minor historical figure. He wasn't on a reality show, he was reality in building a nation. --Kevin Murray 22:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and that's why I said "I looked at the sources," and not "I counted g-hits." Not one of the sources provided above is an article that discusses this person as its main subject, which is what WP:BIO calls for. The provided sources are:
  • an amazon.com page which says that the author's book is unrated by amazon and out of print.
  • an article about local history that cites the author's book as one of ten sources, but doesn't specifically talk about the book or the author.
  • a library catalog confirming that a copy of the author's book is held by Appalachian State University
  • a genealogy web page which I just can't bring myself to spend the next half-hour searching just to see if this author is one of the names in the family tree.
  • absolutely nothing else, and nothing that even provides any information to verify the accuracy of what's in the article under discussion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 14:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete' does not seem to be notable as an academic under current standards.DGG 05:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per FisherQueen and merge to Avery County, North Carolina. Fishhead64 17:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • keep this is a cleanup and expansion candidate, not a delete candidate. rushing to deletion without encouraging cleanup and expansion first, unless the article is clearly so minor, seems bad process. I suspect that this article is perfectly notable regionally, and just needs improved, so i think we should give it time. --Buridan 09:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment On what basis is this a cleanup and expansion candidate? Doesn't even assert notability, much less source the said notability. --RaiderAspect 02:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment you'll never know if you delete it will you? and neither will other readers, that is why we give things a period of cleanup unless they are terrible and wrong. --Buridan 14:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • keep Horton's alright by me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by H Bruthzoo (talk • contribs) 14:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.