Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hooliganism

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, any merging/redirecting is an editorial decision. Sandstein 14:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hooliganism

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article is filled with rewrite templates, its soccer material is redundant with or should be merged into football hooliganism, and a general hooliganism for all sports article is not needed as non-soccer-related violence is not usually referred to as "hooliganism". Luvcraft 19:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep even a cursory glance showed me that there are definitions of hooliganism that have no relation to sport (in fact hooliganism -football -soccer still gets 2 million Ghits). Yes it needs work, so do the work, Luvcraft, instead of AfDing a notable topic. Totnesmartin 19:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't know enough about the topic to do the work. If you know enough about it, please improve the article. As it stands right now it's an unreadable mess of "reference" templates, which tells me that the article is worthless or its been trolled. Whichever is the reason, the results of an AfD will sort it out. Luvcraft 20:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral "Hooliganism" was also a blanket word used by Soviet officials to charge anyone with doing anything the officials didn't like, such as standing up for one's rights, demonstrating, etc. I can't find a reference in English for this, though, except The Straight Dope (and is that a reliable source?). --Charlene 21:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into football hooliganism, create separate article for the Russian хулиганство, and a disambiguation page for "hooliganism". --Targeman 21:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge, redirect, and disambiguate per Targeman. If "football hooliganism" is too specific to cover hooliganism in other sports, rename football hooliganism to hooliganism in sports. Wl219 21:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge as per Targeman Nicko (Talk•Contribs) 23:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Football hooliganism (where "football" is understood to mean "soccer."). I am familiar with "hooliganism" being used to describe rioting and violence by soccer fans, but I have not seen the term used in US newspapers to describe incidents at US football games. The only other use of the term I am familiar with is by Red China in bygone days to describe any behavior they didn't like. "Hooligan" in the US was pretty much used to refer to the cartoon character Happy Hooligan, which probably also describes those who bash skulls at soccer matches. Edison 23:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I've removed most of the football-relted material, except in the Argentina section where their hooligans have been used for non-football purposes. Please look again at the article and see if it stands up. Totnesmartin 09:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I still think there's no reason not to merge the article with football hooliganism. The definition would do nicely there, and the Argentinian exception can be added as a side note. The Russian concept of hooliganism, which is different, deserves it own article. And I think hooliganism should redirect to football hooliganism because that's what it means to most people. A disambig for hooliganism in Russia could be added in the header. What do you think? --Targeman 10:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment seems a fair deal. There's no article specifically about Crime in Russia - should I start one with this material? Totnesmartin 11:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Antisocial behavior. Hooliganism isn't just limited to sports. Disruptive behaviour in society can be seen as Hoolignaism, as well as antisocial behaviour, I feel.--Kylohk 08:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep and Expand On second thought, since Antisocial behaviour is considered a mental disorder, they might as well expand the article to cover specific examples like vandalism, etc.--Kylohk 08:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to football hooliganism, per Edison. Giggy UCP 22:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.