Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Trinity Catholic Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete.--Húsönd 02:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holy Trinity Catholic Middle School

Holy Trinity Catholic Middle School (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

This article deals with a private American middle school that makes no real claim of notabilty. I know that there are those out there that feel that high schools are by default worthy of inclusion, but I have never seen it succesfully expanded to lower-level schools. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 15:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, I believe all schools are notable, from middle school standard onwards. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 15:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment And do you have any reason to back this belief up? I could believe that all bands are notable, it wouldn't stop them from being deleted. Furthermore, note that (as discussed so nicely on recent school AfDs) not even countries are inherently notable under Wikipedia policy. So why should schools be? JoshuaZ 20:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all Google results [1] point to passing mentions of the school as someone's workplace or place of study, or simple school directories. Little chance this is going to be anything more than a mirror of their website. Kavadi carrier 15:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all non-notable schools, as they mostly serve as underwatched targets for vandalism. This one has no independent sources so WP:SCHOOL says we don't have to keep it. Kusma (討論) 15:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Absolutely no assertion of notability. And for you WP:SCHOOLers out there... well, it's incredibly tough to fail that proposal, but this school still manages to do so. -- Kicking222 15:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep schools in Wikipedia. --Howrealisreal 20:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment That is not an argument. I'm not even sure if it is a coherent sentence. Is "keep" meant as the verb making it an imperative command or is that just saying "keep" followed by the sentence fragment "schools in Wikipedia" like it is some sort of mantra? JoshuaZ 20:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment How about this: Keep it civil JoshuaZ. Who are you the grammatically correct voting police? Relax buddy. --Howrealisreal 15:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
      • This isn't an issue of grammar, this is an issue of the above not forming a coherent sentence. Minor grammatical problems are fine when they don't interfere with communication. However, in this case, it isn't clear to me that any argument has actually been made and if so what the argument is. If you can explain your above sentence fragment in more detail I'd appreciate it. JoshuaZ 16:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
        • (dumbfounded look) Think about it: "Keep schools in Wikipedia" means I believe schools should be kept in Wikipedia. In all seriousness, this is really about the way I voted, which you obviously don't approve of, and now you have to bust my chops for whatever reason. Remember, this is "the free encylopedia", meaning I can vote whatever way I want, for whatever reason, and am entitled to be treated civil. I think that settles it. --Howrealisreal 18:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that is NOT what the free in Wikipedia means. You are supposed to base your keep or delete on the policies, not your personal opinons, otherwise you could throw out notability, reliable sources, and everything else. --Shrieking Harpy......^Talk|Count 19:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Schools are NOT inherently notable (and votes that only say that should not be counted). No assertions of notability and no reliable sources. TJ Spyke 20:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete There is nothing notable or even arguably notable about this school. It is not particularly large, it does not have notable alumni or notable staff, it doesn't have athletic teams or other clubs that have performed at a notable level. It does not even have minimal independent coverage so it fails the generous WP:SCHOOLS even if that had consensus behind it. The lack of independent coverage also brings up WP:V which is in Jimbo's word's "non-negotiable". JoshuaZ 20:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if verifiable. I believe all schools are noteworthy, as they provide a legally required service to the local in which they are placed. Jcuk 22:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Actually many countries don't have any mandatory schooling (not to mention the fact that this is a private school). Also, police stations and fire departments and DMVs all provide legally required services. Are you in favor of keeping every DMV if we can verify its existence? JoshuaZ 22:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, verifiable. Alternately, trim some of the fat and merge with Charlotte, North Carolina per WP:LOCAL. JYolkowski // talk 22:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • CommentMost DMVs are verifiable. Do you want them mentioned? JoshuaZ 22:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Sure. Not in their own articles, but a mention in the city/etc. article or on the appropriate ministry page is okay. If someone creates an article about a DMV, merge it. JYolkowski // talk 22:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
      • So no concern about oh, say Wikipedia not being a directory or similar issues? JoshuaZ 22:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Theres concern and then theirs outright opposing zealotry... Joshua your walking towards the latter, so please be careful. Oh this is also a Keep vote.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I'm walking towards zealously by what? Asking questions? Arguing with people and attempting to discuss their logic hardly qualifies as "zealotry" And while I'm at, AfD is not vote etc. etc. and so what is your logic for keeping? JoshuaZ 06:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm sure it's quite possible to write things about a DMV that aren't directory-type information. Having said that, this discussion is entirely academic because no-one really writes about DMVs. If they ever do, we can worry about it then. In the meantime, the article under discussion isn't a directory so it's fine. JYolkowski // talk 23:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Failure to examine hypotheticals is often an indication of not having a coherent explanation. I have a DMV in mind and have some sources for it, I'm not going to create an article to make a point but given that I could, a straight answer on whether or not such an article would be kept would be helpful. (And incidentally, this certainly reads like a directory entry to me. It has almost no info other than address. That's basically the defintion of a directory). JoshuaZ 00:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
        • If you can write a sufficiently long and verifiable article, I would have it kept as-is. Otherwise, a merge to someplace (e.g. its locality) is likely the best solution. JYolkowski // talk 01:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or possibly merge to appropriate locality per WP:LOCAL as a secondary option. Yamaguchi先生 05:51, 9 November 2006
  • Comment Any reason for keeping? JoshuaZ 06:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
    • My reasons are cited within the guidelines that I specified JoshuaZ. Yamaguchi先生 06:14, 9 November 2006
      • Where does WP:LOCAL say anything about keeping schools? JoshuaZ 06:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Schools are mentioned in the first sentence of the first paragraph. My higher preference is to keep as middle schools are something which our readers are likely to turn to Wikipedia for neutral encyclopedic coverage. Yamaguchi先生 06:25, 9 November 2006
          • Yes, they are part of a list. Congratulations. Now, where does WP:LOCAL say anything about keeping schools? JoshuaZ 06:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Kla'quot 06:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbusto 06:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, also per nom. No assertion of notability, no verifiable sources beyond the trivial listings and passing mentions. No good arguments presented for keeping the school yet. Fram 14:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. nn school. Carlossuarez46 21:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete There is nothing unique about this school that makes it standout agaisnt really any other institution. Also, this middle school IS NOT important enough to go into this article about the local community, all it deserves at best is a mention among schools, mention meaning the name. It's absurd for everything to be listed, but this is a middle school that nothing exceptional has been noted about it. Yanksox 00:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• REPENT YE MIDDLE SCHOOL INCLUSIONISTS! I mean, Strong Delete - crz crztalk 02:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 04:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I see no "arguments" to keep other than "all schools are noteworthy". Except nothing noteworthy can apparently be said about this school... so it's basically just a directory entry. Which WP is NOT. --W.marsh 06:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - All schools are not inheriently notable. Fails WP:SCHOOL, and for that matter, with all the vandalism of the AFD Notice going on, perhaps the article needs to be salted as well. As for all the keep votes, you do understand that AfD is not a voting process, and the closing admin who decides the issue will most likely disregard keep votes that aren't based on policy. WP:LOCAL doesn't apply. --Shrieking Harpy......^Talk|Count 19:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence of any independent coverage by reliable sources and no claim to notability in the article. GRBerry 16:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• keep please directory argument is false there is much verifiable information here Yuckfoo 20:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.