Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Empire of Reunion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 13:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holy Empire of Reunion

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Non-notable micronation, article may also be a copyvio but contributor claims text is PD, delete--nixie 16:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• DeleteStrong Delete Article created by the person who started this club micronation. It's unlikely that anyone outside of this group will ever want to help clean up the article to make it more balanced. --JeremyStein 16:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  I changed my vote to strong delete after seeing the flood of anonymous supporters and vote tampering. The most applicable Wikipedia policy would be WP:WEB, by which this site does not qualify as notable. --JeremyStein 14:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable. Appears to be a variation on the vanity page theme. Atrian 19:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  Vote tampering! - the above vote was changed to "Keep it" by 201.8.142.53 [1] I have reverted it. --JeremyStein 03:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Abstain. I don't know if this micronation is notable, but the article needs a lot of work. Use Sealand for a good template. --Billpg 19:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but add a cleanup tag. The article has improved a lot, but still needs work. --Billpg 08:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete test article. Gazpacho 20:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• keep it The text is public domain, I guarantee it and I will ask them to state on their page that it is PUBLIC DOMAIN. We are so many micronationalists in the world and I doubt nobody will contribute Claudre 22:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• keep itI'm ambassador of Republic of Orange in Reunion and don't agree with this delection, It's very important text to the new novice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.141.91.18 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Keep it I disagree with previous comments since Reunion is one of the first and still is the biggest player in Portuguese-speaking (Lusophone) micronations, as well as is member of many intermicronational organizations both in the Anglophonia and Lusophonia. It is not a club or a non-notable micronation (have those who wanted to delete it, actually visited its website? Plus many people out of Reunion will surely want to contribute, as it has generated many other more micronations. -- Ralph, 22:24 5 January 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.141.81.52 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  This comment above is mine. I didn't intend to signup to wikipedia just in order to add a comment, but now I was forced to due to the accusations of sockpuppetting. Also I was not aware of the syntax, now I am getting it. Cresci 21:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• Keep it Reunion is the biggest lusophone micronation, worldwide known, keep the page.. -- Tsavkko, 20:40 5 january 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.22.208 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete. Micronations sometimes become famous enough, as is the case with Sealand, to merit an article. However, this micronation has not reached that stage yet, and this paticular standard of article will not help it get there either. Dan 22:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  Vote tampering! - the above comment was removed by 200.152.2.245 when he added the comment below [2] --JeremyStein 03:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  Reunion has been portrayed by the media all over the world. Just look at some of the links I wrote below. Claudre 12:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• Keep it Keep the description!! Everybody loves Reunion! -- Greenspan, 21:04 5 january 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.152.2.245 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete NN fake nation, sockpuppet-supported. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  Fake nation, yes, perfect for the category FICTITIOUS COUNTRIES, don´t you think? FICTITIOUS = FAKE. Claudre 12:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• Keep it!!! According to the Random House Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary, an encyclopedia is “a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject.” Wikipedia must contain all the encompassing aspects of micronations. As to this subject, not talking about the Holy Empire of Reunion shall be unacceptable, because Reunion is the most famous among the Portuguese speaking micronations. It will be a shame for Wikipedia the deletion of this article. José --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Non-notable? --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • The NY Times (USA) does not agree: [3] --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • La Liberátion (FRANCE) does not agree: [4] --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • Ta Nea (Greece) does not agree: [5] --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • O Diario de Pernambuco(BRAZIL) does not agree: [6] --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • Writer of ILS NE SIEGENT PAS A L'ONU does not agree: [7] - I can look for more if necessary. --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • There´s also LA REPUBBLICA, LE QUOTIDIEN, ESTADO DE SAO PAULO, VISAO (portugal), etc. Claudre 23:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  By the way, I welcome reductions and contributions to the initial article; maybe it´s too large, or even with an English that is not so good...But Reunion is notable. (I am the author, BTW) Claudre 23:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  Please note that Claudre has already voted above. --JeremyStein 03:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  Jeremy, I never wished to "vote again". I just want to say that Reunion has been in the media almost as much as Sealand. But, as your friend here said, "death to micronations". He forgot to say Sieg Heil! I wonder if he will be reported for trolling.... No... of course not.Claudre 11:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  Of the referenced articles that I can read (those in English), Reunion is not the subject of the article, merely an example. The subject of micronations is notable. Reunion is notable only as an example on the micronations article. -- --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy JeremyStein 14:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Reunion is notable, and has been mentioned in sources outside of Micronations. And the fact that this isn't the first time a Micronation has been scrutinized like this shows that the Wikipedia should perhaps re-evaluate its stance on micronations. User:Tonerman 15:29 PST, 1/5/2006 --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• keep it The Holy Empire of Reunion is one of the most important micronations of the World, Claudio de Castro it's founding father is one of the most loved persons on the Island of Reunion, a France Ultramarine domain. The importance of this article isn't only for the micronationalism itself, but for the french citzens of the Island of Reunion. It was even mentioned by President Chirac in 1997. 201.8.51.13 23:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC) Jorge Adamatti --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete and redirect to micronation. This on line game club is real. It has a mention on the micronation page as an example of a 'virtual' micronation simulation. It does not need its own page explaining it rules, any more than an Everquest guild does. This page is created as advertising for their web game. Real but non notable beyond entry on other page.Obina 23:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  Obina we need no advertising we just think we deserve to be here like ALL THE OTHER "game clubs" (SIC) listed at the category FICTITIOUS COUNTRIES. Claudre 12:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• keep it Zachary Vance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.13.26 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Keep I am against Delection! Sure! Reunion is a mark to the micronations! Lucianot - Cool! lucianot --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete. Non-notable micronation. The article is very hard to read too. Rhobite 01:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  Non Notable being on the media all over the world? Ok. If the article is bad, let´s change it. Not delete it. Claudre 12:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• KEEP IT!!! We must support the concept of micronatia. And we support the article by our dear friends in Reunion. Signed, James E Bentz II, Chancellor, Empire of Tebeakesse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tebeakesse (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• PORRA, DELETAR REUNIÃO???? CEIS SAUM DOIDO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.151.87.21 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  The above comment was originally added to the top of the page; I moved it here. Please translate this to English. I believe it says something like "Delete Reunion? That's crazy" --JeremyStein 03:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Death to micronations (except Sealand) Denni ☯ 03:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  A nice way to justify an opinion. Adolf Hitler would agree. Claudre 12:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• Bold textse vcs deletarem reunião eu vou dar... porraada. gerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.151.87.21 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

  The above comment was also added near the top of the page. Please translate this to English. --JeremyStein 03:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

  It means "I am going to be very mad if someone deletes Reunion"... LOL, That´s just the support I need :-/ Claudre 12:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

• Keep it. This is one of the most important Micronations of this style. That is enought to keep it. I am Spence, King of Zarahemla, friend of Reunion --anonymous vote and sole contribution to wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.193.227.238 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete non-notable --Ajdz 05:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• keep itI'm the Secretary General of L.o.S.S, Nicholas Paul Nix, B.S., M.P.A., and it is unfortunate that bookburners wish to delete this article as if it never existed. I hope that articles like this will continue to help advance the public's knowledge of historical events that have occurred outside the context of what can be considered usual history --SGLOSS , 6 January 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.13 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• The community of Reunion was one of the shining success stories of twentieth century micronationalism. Not only did it involve active participants from the continent of South America, opening doors to whole new languages and cultures, but it influenced a generation of similar micronational communities. I am proud, after so many years, to still call myself a friend of Reunion. You should be as well, this article must stay. - Vincent of Morovia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.198.232.65 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete. Non-notable micronation. --Andylkl ^{[ talk! | c ]} 09:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• (NOT A VOTE) If there is a category http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_countries for Fictional Countries, why can´t Reunion be listed with so many of Its partners and friends? Maybe RACISM because we are mostly Brazilians? Claudre 11:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy

Comment - that category should be for countries created in notable works of literature, film, etc. Narnia and Oceana are good examples. --Ajdz 06:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP IT! There´s only true information, about true people, enjoying their hobby. Micronations on web is a strong reality since the beggining of the commercial internet. Filipe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.186.86.130 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• STRONG KEEP IT. Micronationry is a well-established phenomena, practised by thousands of fans, and Holy Empire of Réunion is one of the oldest and most important micronations in activity. Only prejudice and unreliable misunderstandments could justify eliminating this interesting article.--Cava —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.50.93.83 (talk • contribs) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Keep Réunion is one of the main sites of micronational hobby 200.223.106.203 19:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Keep it!!! Any micronationalist will know that the Holy Empire of Reunion is one of the major micronations. I am surprised that some wikipedians have such a bizarre desire to delete pages about micronationalism, especially considering the seriousness with which micronationalists themselves hold their movement. User:NicholasJB --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
  • The "Holy Empire of Reunion" is not a nation; it's a web site. It's a web site dedicated to prepending that it's significant. You can go ahead and declare war with the Purple Bunny Federation or develop diplomatic ties with the Flying Islands of Jasonia but at some point you're going to bump into the real world. The bank won't take your currency, your parking ticket will not be waived on diplomatic immunity, and you can't have your pretend country listed in the encyclopedia. --JeremyStein 20:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
    • It´s not a nation. It´s a FICTITIOUS nation, just right for wikipedia Category FICTITIOUS COUNTRIES. 200.142.120.138 20:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
      • It's still not notable. --Andylkl ^{[ talk! | c ]} 20:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
    • What about including the article in the CATEGORY "micronations", where you can find the PRINCIPALITY OF FREEDONIA and the nation of Atlantium, which have received less attention of the media compared to Reunion? Which are "game clubs" like Reunion? We have signed treaties with them, for God´s Sake, what makes them different? Claudre 12:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Keep Strong Keep It! I really don´t know why you thought about deleting this page, because Reunioun is the most important portuguese-language micronation! This page is so important to micronationalism, cointaining a lot of information to us. José Paulo de Siqueira Guida 200.195.8.134 20:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• "keep it!" and grow up. this page isnt hurting anyone and is "containg a lot of information". liam. --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• What the bloody hell is this? Delete per WP:BALLS, WP:WEB, WP:V, WP:VSCA, and send to BJAODN if desired. Stifle 14:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC) _{Restored vote by Stifle that was inadvertly removed, I believe no ill intent  J\/\/estbrook   Talk  VSCA    16:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)}
• delete per Stifle, and most of the established users above  J\/\/estbrook   Talk  VSCA    16:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - notable, established organization. MattHucke^(t) 20:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC) --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Merge to micronation. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-07 22:47Z
• Delete as non-notable. Google only has 25 links to www.reuniao.org, most of which are micronation directories or personal sites (e.g. geocities/tripod). Would support a merge. Turnstep 00:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Reason to keep: This is one of the most important Micronations of this style. That is enough to keep it. I am Spence, King of Zarahemla, friend of Reunion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by HRHSpence (talk • contribs) . --the preceding vote will be discount due to the official deletion policy
• Delete, mainly per Stifle. --Academia de las Artes y las Ciencias 22:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; irrelevant article probably created for advertising purposes. --OneEuropeanHeart 22:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - "Sao Francisco", heh. Seriously, it looks like nonsense to me, esp. with the 20-year-old leader... assuming it is a micronation it is like someone starting one in their backyard - it is that notable... WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 23:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete, non-notable article, contains sections with unverifiable information, possible fancruft case, not all web content (including micronations) should have an article, possible vanity case, only one POV (creator), possible advertisement/spam case. COA 11:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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