Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hollywood Undead (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. After some investigation of the discussion, the band really does fail WP:MUSIC, and the votes that state it fulfills the criteria there are, well, not right. Proto||type 10:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hollywood Undead

The band still fails WP:MUSIC. Nothing personal. Previous discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hollywood_Undead. Delete. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 03:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, of course, but isn't 'deleted article re-creation' a speedy candidate any more (I haven't been around much the past 6 months or so)? Niteowlneils 03:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: The article went through proposed deletion before coming here. Oh, and as for speedy deletion, I think that only applies to articles restored to their pre-deletion state. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 03:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- still fails WP:MUSIC.--blue520 03:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is tough, because, until recently, the concept of a "notable download band" didn't exist. But with over 4 million hits in Google for "Hollywood Undead", it looks like we're there. They seem to meet WP:WEB. Myspace Records[1], which is a joint venture with Interscope, does sell Hollywood Undead on a CD, and that CD can be purchased from Amazon.com.[2]. --John Nagle 04:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete and protect as a recreation of previously deleted content. Releasing one album via a myspace album does not satisfy the requirement that the band have "released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." --Hetar 04:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I don't like the band but they've worked up a sizable buzz. I think those aforementioned four-million hits would consider Hollywood Undead a notable band. As John Nagle said, they released an album on a label which is a joint venture with Interscope - a rather major label which has been around for a number of years. They're really an Internet phenomenon more than anything else, and since there are pages for pretty much every Internet phenomenon ever, I think it should be kept. Jesustrashcan 10:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)contribs) .
• Comment: This might seem like the pedant's march, but the Myspace records album is a compilation. WP:MUSIC reminds us that compilations or soundtracks are NOT enough by themselves to warrant an article, excepting those which only consist of one artist (I can think of Highlander and Mortal Kombat right now). Also, even if that album counts, it takes two such albums to qualify under WP:MUSIC. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 05:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and others above Deleuze 06:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above and nom :: Colin Keigher 08:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment There's a page for O RLY?, so why not a page for Hollywood Undead? Jesustrashcan 10:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. --Terence Ong 11:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Of those four million Ghits, 265 are unique. Adding the qualifier "band OR group" to the searchstring returns a total 356,000 total hits.

Ah, interesting. Thanks. I withdraw my "Keep" vote. That's worth sending in to Google Search Improvement as a bug. --John Nagle 16:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above comments. -- Saberwyn 13:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete How many times have I written this for non-notable bands...if they can't make it in the real world, they can't make it here. doktorb | words 13:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, a while ago my friend told me about Hollywood Undead on MySpace and I came here to find information. And I found information. - Stoph 19:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep useful info Jordanmills 22:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep no good reason for deletion given. Verifiable. For great justice. 00:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Fishhead64 01:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, band actually meets WP:MUSIC thanks to this article on Slate about MySpace music. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 21:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually that mention in Slate isn't quite "Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works". It's a brief mention of them as a wannabe band, in a list of "a cast of demi-celebrities of varying talent", not an article that features them.--John Nagle 01:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have limited access to news archives, if they made Slate, they've certainly made something else, and I'm fine with erring on the side of caution on this one considering Slate's reach. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 03:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep- Notable Band--GorillazFanAdam 01:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Fails - Hahnchen 00:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment- Taken right from WP:MUSIC "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show." Myspace is considered very notable media, therefore it should in fact be kept. --GorillazFanAdam 02:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment- Also, not to metinon Hollywood Undead pioneers the fusion of Hip Hop, Screamo, and Hardcore, a very bold step taken that qualafies for notarity. --GorillazFanAdam 02:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment MySpace is not a media source, it is a platform on which anyone can make a place for advertising. Also this non-notable band are certainly not the first group to fuse such music genre together. This non-notable band should make it in the real world first before they can make it here doktorb | words 12:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment - And posting your photos on MySpace makes you a notable photographer does it? What about the film directors on YouTube? - Hahnchen 17:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: MySpace is not the media. MySpace is a user-generated social website designed and instituted primarily to facilitate dating. More importantly, the music made by Hollywood Undead is not licensed to nor intended primarily for use by MySpace, but is only hosted on MySpace's servers. Also, if I was feeling irascible and pedantic, I could make and push the idea that Linkin Park fused hardcore and hip-hop a long time ago. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 05:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Linkin Park blends rap with nu-metal, a lot of bands do that, it is much easier to do that. Name me one band that blends screamo, hardcore, and hip hop either than this one. --GorillazFanAdam 22:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • MySpace does license music by Hollywood Undead, see MySpace Records Volume One - Stoph 18:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A bit of Googling and looking at the various sites with them has convinced me that they are indeed notable in their own way. Perhaps WP:MUSIC needs an update to take "Internet fame" more into account. TH 07:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • • Comment Uh-oh, be careful with that. This particular band are, strictly speaking, non-notable by the rules of WP:MUSIC. Attempting to stretch the boundaries of those rules for one specific case will only make subsequent debates even harder to undertake. I thought the non-notable band argument had been sorted, but obviously not! doktorb | words 07:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.