Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hold Off Red

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Maxim(talk) 22:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

To explain a bit more, I feel that Bfigura's comment really establishes consensus. There has been sock/meatpuppeting in this AfD, so I have basically discounted SPA's here.

[edit] Hold Off Red

Hold Off Red (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non notable, and if this article still existed quote per here - "If you're going to make articles on every freeware game that's ever come out, we'd have Wikipedia full of those stupid flash games that you see on websites all the time." Likely to fail WP:SOFTWARE as it is quite close to Jumper in terms of notability, etc and comes from the same author. anger2headshot 09:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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  • Keep If someone needs it, the information on HOR's all here for them. And the difference between this and "those stupid Flash games" is that this isn't a Flash game, and nor is it stupid. I don't see what the point of the "delete every indy game that doesn't appear on more than 500 different sites" mentality is. Someone somewhere cares enough to make the article, and other people, like me, care enough to read it. That shows some semblance to notability to me. 89.243.172.57 11:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment The quote was from the AfD for the Jumper_(video_game) article which has been deleted already. This game is also freeware and made by the same author of Jumper who is very popular mainly in the GMC. Another popular game within the GMC is Sapphire Tears which also has been since deleted. --anger2headshot 11:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment I'm not a big lover of the "If someone jumps off a cliff, I'll jump as well" mentality. Because similar articles have been deleted before, does that suddenly make it the right thing to delete this too?
If this was a game made by a 'proper' company, rather than a single indy developer, I'm pretty sure this article would be kept. 89.241.70.107 21:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - We are not a catalogue of everything that ever existed -- we need to apply some discerning judgement to our content (fails WP:WEB). /Blaxthos 12:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't see what's so wrong with this page- it's helpful to new players of a game, and, personally, whenever I find any new game I look for as much information on t as I can possible get. I;m not sure if others do that, but if they do this would be a great place for them to find out.
Comment What does "readme" or "Help Contents" or "Instructions" mean to you? Wikipedia article? --anger2headshot 22:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Commeny Hahaha. Help files and readmes won't give a synopsis of the game, won't give seperate opinions on different aspects of the games. And, sometimes, just sometimes, the game doesn't come with instructions. I don't see the reason of deleting an article that some people find useless, because someone else thinks no one will use it. That's like a grocery store taking down a type of fruit because the manager thinks that no one will buy it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.188.21 (talk) 23:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP Say someone hasn't played HOR for some time (like me), and forget some game information. What are they going to do? Keep the article.

--24.225.171.245 21:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment Say someone hasn't played Jumper for some time (like me), and forget some game information. What are they going to do? Wonder why the heck this happened. --anger2headshot 22:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP Just the other day, I wanted to see the Wikipedia article for An Untitled Story, a game that I had recently downloaded. I wanted to know more about it. And guess what, I didn't find it. I looked for Jumper, another game by the same person. Nope. Nothing. I come here. Ah, at least one article is still here. Unfortunately, it is to be deleted, like the others. And.....for what reason? I don't see any real reason here, other than "nobody cares about it". Well, guess what. I do, and probably quite a few others do to. You're saying that Wikipedia doesn't need more excess articles. Well, why the heck not? Does it harm you by keeping the article up? Some people will use it undoubtedly, even if the person is not you.

My two cents. This page's a keeper. --Dreamcat 19:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC) — Catkilller7 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • KEEP If this article was useless, would this many people be arguing to protect it? This article should STAY.

--Cookinater 19:06, 16 September 2007 (PST) — Cookinater (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment Why are there lots of people wanting this article kept? Because, PEOPLE ARE BEING TOLD ABOUT THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE. If fans of this game were not referred from that website, it would be much less likely for people to be voting like this. And I'm going to ensure this comment stays for an administrator to see. I have absolutely NOTHING against YMM, Helix Games, etc etc etc HOWEVER Wikipedia really does need content rules otherwise this place will be flooded with crap.
(Discussion'd because people who don't use View New Posts'd never see it otherwise.)

SAVE HOLD OFF RED

Anger2Headshot has turned traitor and put Hold Off Red up for deletion. The debate is leaning towards "Delete" so far, if you include A2H's inital call for deletion.
If we can get enough people here to vote Keep and give a good reason to do so, we can save the article.
If possible, try and improve the article as well to help the cause.

Also, people throwing about the fishing "WP:WEB" crap and A2H's "Oh well such a such a game was deleted, so it's only right we delete this too" is driving me nuts.


EDIT: I don't know if Wikipedia tracks where visitors are coming from, so try and copy+paste the link rather than clicking it, just in case they trace it back here and discredit what we've all said because of it =/.

--anger2headshot 03:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment Now you're just getting angry. Besides- people aren't told what to to. We see that a page of ours is being deleted. Had I not cared, I wouldn't of clicked on that link. The original poster was bringing up a cause. Just because nobody was looking at this age when it first went up for deletion, doesn't mean nobody cares. This is exactly like saying a library in town should be destroyed because nobody was reading anything for a day.

Besides. Badwolf had obviously looked at this page in order to find it was up for deletion. 142.59.188.21 05:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment If they didn't care, people would ignore the topic. By the way, you're infringing on copyright by pasting that post. I doubt you asked Badwolf for permission? In fact, I KNOW you didn't.
As for the "Not a majority vote" template, isn't the point of this VFD that there're suppoedly not enough people who care? A majority keep vote would suggest otherwise. 78.144.105.89 23:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment I'm sorry, but I didn't add the template. And you can't copyright a stupid forum post. Oh OK, POKEMON. OMG ITS A COPYRIGHTED NAME OMG NINTENDO'S LAWYERS ARE ON ME OMG ARGH --anger2headshot 00:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment Be mature about this here at least, even if you're going to carry on acting the way you are on the HC. And Badwolf typed up that post, Badwolf added the copyright notice at the end, and Badwolf did not give you permission to replicate the post here on Wikipedia. It's copyrighted, and you're breaking Wikipedia's stance on Copyright. I know you don't know enough about the law to actually believe it's copyrighted, so carry on infringing on the copyright if you want. You're the one who has to face up to the consequences in the end, rather than playing it safe. 78.144.105.89 20:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment Hi everyone. Just a reminder: the last time I checked, there weren't any angry mastadons. Civility is good. --Bfigura (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep If Nifflas, an independent game designer who is arguably not as notable as YMM, has his own Wikipedia page, why shouldn't YMM? If necessary, we should create a Wikipedia page for 'Matt Thorson', creator of the game, and delete this page. If this game in particular is not notable, surely the creator, who has made many games after and before this, is? --Ryx 22:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


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