Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hog's Breath Saloon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hog's Breath Saloon

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No assertion of notability, nothing to say why this is important compared to every other local restaurant, no WP:RSes to establish notability. Entire article is original research. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Unless sources can be found verifying the bar's notability, this article must be deleted. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. It reads like advertising. But I've been there...they sell margarita mix that is NASTY... --Smashville^BONK! 17:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete I found this one a bit tricky. However, Google doesn't bring up any major sources or media coverage. It doesn't meet notability. ― LADY GALAXY 18:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady Galaxy (talk • contribs)
• Keep - the bar is notable enough that its founder had an obituary. It is the subject of at least one article that I could find in a quick search. CNN mentions it as famous. I expect with some more work, more reliable sources could be dug up. -- Whpq (talk) 10:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• The article you linked is not about the same restaurant...and I can't find the mention on the CNN page. --Smashville^BONK! 19:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

In that case, I'll amend to a Weak Keep. There's a lot of hits through Google News, but behind pay walls so it's hard to ascertain if they are about the right bar. The mention in CNN is towards the bottom of the transcript. Use the FIND function in your browser to locate it. -- Whpq (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It is hard to determine which one the articles mention. I know there's one in Houston because my father brought back a t-shirt from there during a convention in the early 1980s (which is how I found this article in the first place). Nobody of Consequence (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems to be at least as notable as Mzoli's Meats. And that's not an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, it's WP:OTHERSTUFFHASBEENKEPTBYCONSENSUSATAFD. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No offense Phil... but this IS a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument... Mzoli's Meats isn't a benchmark by which the notability of everything else is judged, notability is established by providing multiple, reliable third party sources and the article currently has zero. The only related article is an obituary of the founder, and obituaries aren't acceptable for establishing notability. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but why is an obituary not acceptable? It is a newspaper article which has undergone editorial review, which makes it a reliable source, and it's clear from the first sentence that the claim to fame of the subject of the obituary was that he owned the Hog's Breath. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You can open the newspaper and find a huge listing of obituaries. Dying doesn't make someone notable. An obituary can be used to establish certain facts about a subject (say, date of birth, place of residence, etc.), but it can't be used to satisfy the WP:N requirement by itself. What we really need are some newspaper, magazine, etc. articles about the place, or a book about it (or about the founder), etc. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• Note: WikiProject Companies has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete I created the article but I wouldn't argue for keeping it now. That was years ago. I was just adding whatever I couldn't find a page for already and I had a shirt from this bar on at the time. It's not notable. Matterson52 (talk) 07:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.