Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva terrorism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] Hindutva terrorism

The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 00:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva terrorism (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

I believe similar/identical articles have been speedy deleted before. Not much to explain here. Whatever is salvagable from this article is already covered in Hindutva, Hindu nationalism, etc. deeptrivia (talk) 04:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I'm not seeing much from this article. There is a lot of OR, some sources do not work, and I think that those sources that do exist do not generally confirm a concept called "Hindutva terrorism." The information should be covered elsewhere (if it isn't already) instead of in this ill-constructed fork. BTW, if you can find the similar deletions, please post them. The Behnam 05:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete mostly origional research, and what isn't is poorly sourced.--Sefringle^Talk 05:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete To answer Behnam's request, there is a Islamist terrorism article which is much more developed. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 05:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  I meant the "similar/identical articles" mentioned as previously deleted. It would help solidify this case if nearly identical prior deletions were linked to here. The Behnam 05:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  Oh, well there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 05:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  Hmm, not the quite the same - I even voted 'keep' for that one. My guess is that if these were CSD like deeptrivia suggested they would be find in the deletion logs. Hopefully he will have a better idea exactly what he was talking about as I don't know where to look. The Behnam 05:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  There were some "X Terrorism" articles as well as "Hindu X" / "Hindutva X" articles. I tried finding an easy way to search deletion logs after reading Behnam's comment, but it looks like the only way to go about it is to check all logs over months, which will be a huge task. If it's possible to apply any search over the logs, please let me know. deeptrivia (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose deleting-They have one on Islamist terrorism, Christian terrorism but nothing on Hindutva terrorism.What's more is the article is fully sourced.-Vmrgrsergr 08:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  That's never a good argument. "Buddhist terrorism" generates the same order of magnitude of google hits as "Hindu Terrorism" or "Hindutva Terrorism", both being of the order of 100 times smaller than "Christian terrorism" and 1000 times smaller than "Islamist Terrorism". deeptrivia (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  And because The Hindu is a major english daily in India (which discusses terrorism, Islamic, Christian, and secular) the true total is closer to 200 ghits. However, most of these sites are Muslim and Khalistani, or leftist forums. A realiable source is nowhere to be found.Bakaman 01:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - MilliGazette is a Muslim advocacy newspaper. It has a vested interest in ignoring their own kinsmen blowing things up and attacking religious groups hostile to Islamism. Nationalism is not terrorism. There are no Hindus blowing themselves up in front of Airports in the name of Krishna.Bakaman 20:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  hm, nobody claimed they did. The article's claim is that they burn mosques, not that they blow up themselves, and nothing about airports. dab (𒁳) 22:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  That doesnt prevent from being a cesspool of leftist fringecruft. The word terrorism is not used by any reliable sources. In case you were unaware what the allusion was, you may want to check out what is going on in Glasgow.Bakaman 01:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

  Dear Sirs, Milligazette, is a reliable source as is evident by the fact that it is available through Google News.Terrorism by any religion followers is worthy of an article, this is what I believe, if people are terrorised in Gujarat by the Hindu cultural organisations - it should be included..Why not, dear Sirs Terminador 10:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - This article is nothing but a collection of OR. Per nom. Gnanapiti 21:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment-To keep terrorism articles related to a certian religion and to delete teror articles related to another is clear violation of WP:NPOV.-Vmrgrsergr 22:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment-I dont know how an article that has sources for it's claims and enough external links is the work of original research.-Vmrgrsergr 22:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  Firstly, the sources aren't cited in the proper way, please see Wikipedia:Citing sources. Secondly, have you checked that the sources are Reliable? Gizza^{Discuss ©} 22:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• merge into communal violence. The title is inherently pov seeing we have Christian terrorism, there is nothing to prevent us from covering this phenomenon as well, but Terrorism in India should be treated in context, and not by faction, and at present, the article isn't well-referenced enough to stand on its own. Begin by creating "by faction" sections on Terrorism in India and wait until they deveolp into something that can stand on its own. dab (𒁳) 22:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - On top of being OR this article is a big bunch of lies. A foiled attempt to burn a mosque by some crank cited from so called "reference" morphs conveniently into "Hindutva militants are also known to have many times try to burn mosques in India"!!! A statement by some church taken from a reference(?) changes into a fact in the article! Article cites another wiki article as a reference! There should be some truth in the article at least to merge. Gnanapiti 22:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  Re: If I got dab right, he is not necessarily proposing to copy the contents of this article into Terrorism in India, but to start a fresh section there related to this, built from scratch. deeptrivia (talk) 05:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom --D-Boy 02:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete No clear evidence.Harlowraman 02:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Obviously. I know its hard for some to understand that there is absolutely no fascism in Hindutva. Most of these people try to find an analogy with Islamism or Christian fundamentalism. Its natural, but it is, at the end of the day, just ignorance.

  As another natural tendency, We may believe that the youngsters in a country like Pakistan would be similar to the most youngsters around the world and so they may demand for fewer rules than there are. But then, a quote from a Kaafirs book will dispel this [miss]belief too.

• Both of these are exceptions, and we must accept them as they are.--nids(♂) 05:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

  Okay, but hopefully you understand that this discussion is not about whether there is terrorism/fascism in Hindutva or not. deeptrivia (talk) 05:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

  If there was, than what would have been the problem with the article. nids(♂) 05:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

  Please read Wikipedia:Deletion policy. deeptrivia (talk) 06:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - The 'information' currently in the article is of little or no value to an encyclopedia. Gouranga(UK) 08:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - This article is original research. The sources provided are from newspaper and they do not provide any encyclopedic content.Sbhushan 18:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to communal violence. No sources satisfactorily cited. Hornplease 20:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as original research, POV and neologism with no reliable, neutral sources. Just because we can conceptually define a term doesn't mean we need a wikipedia article on the subject. Funnily enough, "Christian Martians" ("Residents of the planet Mars, who adhere to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament") has almost as many ghits, as "Hindutva Terrorism" ("use of violence or other means of intimidation to enforce the Hindutva point of view on people who may oppose or simply choose not to believe that ideology.") and in both cases most of the links are blogs, discussion boards, blatantly partisan and unreliable sources or simply typos. Abecedare 22:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - I think that this title MIGHT provide a basis for a relevant article...but in practical terms this article is nothing more than warmed-over POV pap, and largely misspelled POV pap at that. --Nemonoman 02:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - AjitPD 11:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

  Please see WP:NOREASON. utcursch | talk 14:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete OR — Lost^(talk) 16:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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