Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High D'Haran

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Bobet 18:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High D'Haran

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NN, WP:LIST, copyvio, fancrufty, WP:FICT. This page is a regurgitation of a geocities page and has nothing about the actual language, it is just a listing of terms. All that is needed is a notation on the language on the source fictional universe page Sword of Truth and the geocities link ref which is being added now. NeoFreak 19:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

it doesnt matter. having it this way makes it easier to find and use. that geocities page could end up going 404 in a week. having the info on the wiki will make sure it stays avalible. and putting it on the D'Hara page will just clutter that up because you know as well as i that we cant have anything close to the High D'Haran info there. this is nuts. there has been no peer review, or any other input. its just been you going on about deleting it since i put it up. get off it. i strongly encourage people to check out the page, and check out the talk page with it. - Patrickjsanford 20:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry if I am sticking my nose where it doesn't belong but neo, stop being wiki snob and admit that even though you didn't think of it this page does have its merits. Furthermore I think that everything imitates everything else have you ever heard the phrase art imitates life which imitates art? If this is a copyright violation then so is the page on Plato and Aristotle and Socrates and every other thing that has ever been offered any info on because you cant give a excellent observation on anything without including some of the original material into the article. I notice you haven't jumped on Tolkeins elven language page, why is that? Stop being a snob and let those with new and interesting ideas have their say also. This page does not belong to only you but to everyone, so please stop acting as if you are the Wiki god, okay? Sorry if I've offended you but I am offended by condescending people who are rude, so just stop. The page should stay because it offers an in depth look at High D'Haran. - Selena Moriarti 20:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I just want to clarify for people before they start screaming about clones and multiple accounts and such. Selena Moriarti is my wife, she has her own account, but we are on a DSL connection, and use the same computer so we will have the same IP address. i think that everyone will be able to see that it is two diffrent people due to the diffrent styles of writing, wording, and oppinions. - Patrickjsanford 20:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. The above comments are the worst kinds of nonsense and unhelpful in these discussions. Danny Lilithborne 20:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment meatpuppets, while their opinion is welcome during AfD, are not usualy helpful. If you have not been recruited for a specific opinion then I apologise. Please leave a vote or preceed your comments in this format for ease of review. Thank you. NeoFreak 20:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Please realize that while I am commenting on this article it does not mean that I do not go on Wiki on a regular basis and please don't resort to name calling because I have a different viewpoint and am not afraid to tell you that you aren't being a help to Wiki you are hindering it because of your pride, futhermore I have learned several things from his page as I don't really read The Sword of Truth series I found it helpful in understanding when he goes on about High D'Haran I know now much more about it. - Selena Moriarti 20:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. I've read the books in question, and the language described in this article does not play a particuarly significant role in the books, and is never described in detail. I'm pretty sure that the "list of terms and words" contains - more or less - every single word of the conlang which appears in the series, including a number of words inferred from phrases. In total, there are perhaps fifteen or so unique words and phrases which appear in the series.. Zetawoof(ζ) 20:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete Delete I'm against indiscriminate listcruft, and the words of the High D'Haran language are pretty non-notable, even to a Sword of Truth fan. Still, it's possible that a truly motivated individual could expand this into a somewhat respectable article. - Runch 21:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
    • The main issue, as I see it, is that there's very little expansion possible without making things up (i.e, creating fanon). As it stands, I think there's already some significant conjectures being made - for example, the assumption that the chimes reechani, sentroshi, and vasi are the words for "water", "fire", and "air", rather than arbitrary names. Zetawoof(ζ) 22:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Good points. I hadn't even realized that some of the words on the page were conjecture. I've revised my vote accordingly. - Runch 04:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - fancruft to the extreme. My Alt Account 22:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No evidence of sourcing, much less use of reliable sources so it appears to be a WP:NOR violation. As prior commentators have expressed, there really isn't that much in the books about this fictional former language. GRBerry 02:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and rewrite, or merge what's useful to Sword of Truth. Worth having in some form, but not this form. --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep because even though i've been saying this since yesterday nobody would bother telling me how to vote. - 68.217.165.8 14:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Please sign your posts with four tildes, Patrickjsanford so we can keep track of who is voting which way. NeoFreak 15:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • RE: Comment. I did, i just wasn't signed in so it didn't catch my username. oh! BTW, i've been reviewing this page called user neofreak that i think needs to go up for AfD, anyone know how to do that? :P - Patrickjsanford 19:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


Hmmm I see it as being a worthy page to keep. I vote Keep it Mystar 13:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


Gezzz Neo why is it that all you want to do is to tear down anything but your ASOIAF pages? Talk about fancrufty the whole BwoB on GRRM's page is all that... Dude, you seriously need to stop being an edit nazi. If you cannot add to the positive aspect then stop trying to destroy a page. All you can do is to point out what "you" see as faults. All you do is to add content (and questionable at that) to your asoiaf pages. I think we need someone to look into your abusive actions on this whole issue....

BTW.. this ISN'T Geocities it is Wikipeda... what is or isn't on other MB's has nothing to do with what is or isn't on this page. Mystar 13:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

KEEP it. It's a relavent part of Sword of Truth information. I'd have no problem however, if you wanted to add more to it. Merritt 14:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)Merritt

Definitely keep it. This is where the information belongs. Joedu 16:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)— Possible single purpose account: Joedu (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic..

Keep it. The language of High D'Haran is a very large part of the novels. There is no reason to delete it. Maybe just add to it.69.253.42.212 18:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)Harmony — Possible single purpose account: 69.253.42.212 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic..

  • Comment: For the record, it would appear someone has been soliciting votes on this issue, as the last two comments were made by users making their first edits to Wikipedia. (See here and here). Please see WP:AFD for more information about the deletion process and policy. - Runch 19:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Also, High D'Haran is definitely not a "very large part of the novels". It is, at best, a bit of flavor. As I noted above, there are no more than ten or fifteen unique phrases that show up in the entire series. Zetawoof(ζ) 00:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh yes! People who may have been following the edit war of these three agains anything Goodkind and decided to "weigh in" against something they feel is warrented, and here we go! I think you need to take a step back dude. I see teo new people...so what? meritt has had other contrib's and here you go trying to belittle his goodfaith and opinion as unimportant. Stop being a Wiki snob eh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mystar (talk • contribs) 21:39, September 19, 2006

  • Comment: I made no mention of Merritt, the "last two comments" I was referring to were by Joedu and 69.253.42.212. I merely made a note of it, I did not even add the SPA tags. - Runch 23:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not saying you put the tag by my name, but there is a tag (as of 8pm est) saying that my account may have been a single purpose account. I can assure you that I did not create it for the sole purpose of putting my 'vote' into this page. Not trying to start an argument, just trying to put my two cents in. Thanks! 192.254.30.2 00:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)Merritt

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.