Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heresis I: The Shaking Opera

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The result was delete. - Philippe 23:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Heresis I: The Shaking Opera

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Seems to be a future film with a relese date of '09. A group of film students first commercial venture, albeit with a tiny budget. No references to show significant coverage in reliable sources, it probably isn't notable now but who knows it might go on to be after its release, unlikely though I'd say. Polly (Parrot) 22:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

  • There should be a lot more coverage to add within the coming weeks, as it gears up during shooting. It's not a student film, it is a professional feature film, and I would hope it can be treated as such? Professional actors and an award winning director, I reckon they're gonna get press coverage, and especially recognition in Ireland, a country not particularly renowned for its fantasy films. Leon Kira —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon Kira (talk • contribs) 22:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC) — Leon Kira (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Then please, rewrite when there is coverage. Wikipedia is used for writing about things that are already notable; it's not a means of helping make things notable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • We're not using this to create recognition for the film, we are currently using other mediums for this reason. This is the first film of this type being made in Ireland that is a proper professional production. We already have made contact with the press but nothing is being released as of yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LTFitzgerald (talk • contribs) 23:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC) — LTFitzgerald (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete. Per WP:MOVIE, "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should not have their own articles, unless the production itself is notable per notability guidelines." (Also, no sources.) Anturiaethwr (talk) 00:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. It is notable in the fact that Ireland has never made a film like this before, and also it is one of the few Irish films of any genre currently in production in that country. That will warrant large media attention in Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon Kira (talk • contribs) 00:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC) — Leon Kira (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • The media attention will create reliable sources, from which an article on this movie can be written. However, for WP:Verifiability purposes, the media attention needs to happen before it can be used to support an article's content and or notability. -- saberwyn 01:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • DeleteThe inclusion of this article on Wikipedia appears to be an attempt to create notability. Also, no sources.Jackmantas (talk) 12:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It is not for notability purposes. There are much more productive, prominent and effective ways of creating notability than having a wikipedia page.

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. The film may become notable in the future, if filming is completed and if the budget doesn't run out and if the director doesn't get eaten by a shark on Grafton Street, and if its release isn't screwed up, and if it then generates enough coverage to establish notability. However, right now it is non-notable, failing WP:N (because it's completely unreferenced) and failing WP:MOVIE per Anturiaethwr. No prejudice to recreation in the future if notability has been established. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Many movies fail during filming, and only the most spectacular failures (of which this doesn't look to have the potential to be) are notable. Many movies, especially microbudget movies, failed to be achieve any sort of notability. This just isn't notable today, because there's no guarantee it will get anywhere.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


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