Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry L. Valance
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was merge --Ichiro 19:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Henry L. Valance
While Morgan was notable, I can't see that this article can ever be made encyclopedic. There was no body recovered (the body that was recovered was identified as someone else), this confession was 20-30 years after the fact, and wasn't published for another 20 years after that? DeleteMerge. SarekOfVulcan 21:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- Very interesting info. Should be Merged and Redirected to William Morgan (anti-Mason). -- JJay 22:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- If the info can be substantiated beyond this single reference, I could go along with that.--SarekOfVulcan 22:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- Could you be a bit more specific about what you are contesting? I'm not sure I follow you. -- JJay 00:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- The book reporting the deathbed confession wasn't published for 20 years after the confession, if I'm following everything correctly. If it had been more widely reported, I'd feel better about leaving it in. Am I making sense yet?--SarekOfVulcan 01:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, the confession was published shortly after Valance's death in 1848. [1]. It has since become part of the case, discussed in later pamphlets, newspapers and every book on Morgan that I checked. It is part of the historical record surrounding the Morgan case and can not be ignored. Of course, that does not mean that the confession was true and/or even took place. That is a completely different problem. But Valance should be mentioned on the Morgan page -- JJay 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- That removes one of my main objections: changing from Delete to Merge. Thanks for doing the extra legwork. --SarekOfVulcan 01:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- No problem. I can do a basic merge after the AfD, if no one does it first. -- JJay 01:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, the confession was published shortly after Valance's death in 1848. [1]. It has since become part of the case, discussed in later pamphlets, newspapers and every book on Morgan that I checked. It is part of the historical record surrounding the Morgan case and can not be ignored. Of course, that does not mean that the confession was true and/or even took place. That is a completely different problem. But Valance should be mentioned on the Morgan page -- JJay 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- The book reporting the deathbed confession wasn't published for 20 years after the confession, if I'm following everything correctly. If it had been more widely reported, I'd feel better about leaving it in. Am I making sense yet?--SarekOfVulcan 01:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- I have tidied the page up a little, as it seemed to have a pretty strong anti mason bias. Having said that, I'm not gonna vote cos I know nothing about the case, and therefor can't comment on it. Jcuk 00:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, nobody knows anything else about it, and that's why I'm AfDing it. --SarekOfVulcan 00:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Merge If Valance had a life of note it may be worth keeping a page about him. If his only noteworthy act was a deathbed confession, merge the page with that of the life of the person whom he claims to have killed. -- (aeropagitica)
00:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete or merge Clearly not noteworthy, and the facts of the Morgan case have never conclusively come to light. Having done some research, there isn't even a real consensus on what happened in the first place. MSJapan 05:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
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