Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Help Desk (webcomic)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Coredesat 04:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help Desk (webcomic)

This web comic fails WP:WEB. --Brad Beattie (talk) 06:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep - "Help Desk is a webcomic by Christopher B. Wright which debuted on March 31, 1996, making it one of the older webcomics on the Internet." Just needs some more specific assertions of notability. MER-C 12:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete with the proviso that if the article gives evidence of having been widely read or reviewed in addition to it's age, I'd shift to a weak keep. While I respect the age, "one of the older" does not mean "oldest" or even necessarily "one of the first 100" without some citation proving it has a unique place among webcomics. -Markeer 14:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's hosted on Keenspot, it's originally from a popular OS/2 magazine [1], it's been reviewed on websnark [2], it's been mentioned in Infoworld [3], 21,000 google hits for Ubersoft "Help Desk" - the combination is pretty notable. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, unverifiable through third-party relaible sources. WP:NOT an internet guide, does not meet WP:WEB. -- Dragonfiend 04:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Having read what AnonEMouse just said, it qualifies for #1 on the list at WP:WEB "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself.", and seeing as it needs only meet one of the criteria on the list, it thus meets WP:WEB quite nicely. I'm sure if you read further into it you will find it meets other criteria for notability in that same guideline. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 09:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment: This article fails our official content policy of WP:V in that it is not based on "reliable, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy ... If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Even if the article did have some verifiable info from reliable sources, it would still have to meet our official policy that WP:NOT an internet guide, in that the article must "describe the [web]site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance." The WP:WEB notability guideline can't be used to override official policy against writing unreliable articles on insignificant topics, and certainly not with such trivial, unreliable sources as the e-zines and webcomics fan blogs mentioned on this Article for Deletion discussion. Also, note that if any actual reliable sources for this article are found, information from them needs to be added to the article; throwing up a link on this AfD page doesn't help the article. -- Dragonfiend 17:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: user is the one who listed Checkerboard Nightmare. --Kizor 02:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, this AFD is unnessecary. Even if it's not the oldest, it's still ancient. Stormscape 09:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep per MER-C and Stormscape, this to me appears to be important, as one of the older webcomics on the internet. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 09:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: This comic is at least a decade behind any claim of being one of the older on the internet. See T.H.E. Fox. -- Dragonfiend 17:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: The difference is Help Desk is still on the Internet. Big difference. Stormscape 09:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Anomo 09:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per the previous keepers. The strip isn't one of the very first precursors, but definitely among the first webcomics as the word is known today. --Kizor 02:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep afd listing premise has been definitively proven wrong...  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep As per point three of the guidelines quoted here, "The content is distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster." This webcomic is part of Keenspot, an independent and prestigious online publisher of webcomics. A Holy Grail for many webcomic creators, to be Spotted is to be great and notable. Canterrain 21:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC) — Canterrain (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • Comment. I don't believe Comic Genesis (was Keenspot) to be a sufficient gauge of notability. Here are a few counter-examples: Read it and Weep, Rally Hippo, Red Haired Blue Eyed Heroine. And those are just a few pulled from the roughly 200 listed. Those three and plenty more like them are nowhere near notable. --Brad Beattie (talk) 21:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Comic Genesis may be owned by the same company as Keenspot, but it's not the same site. http://www.Keenspot.com only lists about 50 notable comics, while as you observe correctly, CG lists hundreds of non-notable ones. We even have different articles for them, take a look. AnonEMouse (squeak) 22:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment Exactly. ComicGenisis is not Keenspot nor was it ever Keenspot. It -is- owned by Keenspot as a freehosting space for webcomics. Whereas Keenspot is not a freehosting space, and is by invite only to make money. As for my single purpose possibility, it's true I've only recently created the account. But I did make contributions prior to this, particularly on other webcomic listings. Check the Ip: 72.128.126.108 Canterrain 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per AnonEMouse and MER-C. Looks to meet the WP:WEB guideline by my interpretation. Yamaguchi先生 03:44, 1 November 2006
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.