Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helmi Technologies

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 16:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Helmi Technologies

Article was speedily deleted as a non-notable company article, then as a recreation of deleted material. The original author believes that the article is notable enough for inclusion, so I am putting this up on Afd. Tangotango 10:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


  • Initial comment from author I feel that the article meets the notability criterias. The company has been around since 2004, there has been several printed and non printed articles in independetn and well established, respected news sources, magazines etc. about the company including some full page articles during the last few years (both due pressreleases and due personal interviews of the company officials) both in US and Finland. Additionally Helmi as a company is referede by several independent analysts, including Rober Francis Group, 451 Group among others, in their analysts reports. Obiously most of the information, in terms of source, in the article is from the company itself, but atleast the article tries to be objective there. Jrisku 10:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Please provide references for the published material in indepdendent, respected publications. This will clearly resolve the notability question in favour of the article. Add the references to the article rather than here. Rich257 10:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Found the report from The 451 Group, it requires user ID, but is still there, I didn't find online version of the report from Rober Francis Group. Jrisku 11:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete — Not included in an index, can't find any articles about it other than press releases, fails WP:CORP Rich257 10:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
In Finland there has been several printed articles about Helmi Technologies, for instance one of the most respected economic magazines of finland "Talouselämä" had an interview of three entepreneurs from Oulu, Helmi had coverage of over one full color page. "Talouselämä" is such news paper, that frequently intervies for instance CEO's of companies like Nokia. There has also been several other printed articles, not related to press releases, for instance in news paper called "Kaleva" (published in Oulu, Finland, about 200 000 readers). I don't know all the US and English language sources, but I know that there has been articles also in English printed press. Helmi has also been several times, among press and other sources, refered as one of the most promising startups in Oulu, Finland (which is one of the most important software hubs in Finland). I would also say, that since helmi is mentioned in several US analyst reports (definately an independent source), it also makes the case rather strong. Personally, I feel that informative and objective content about some company shouldn't constitute article to be deleted. In that way only big companies end up in to wikipedia, which is shame. Additionally I would like to make a note that there are allready few editors who has edited the article and outsiders from Helmi's stand point. Please also note that the link to the 451 group "protected" content is a full report only focused on Helmi, it goes trough in detailled manner Helmi's product and it's strenghts and weaknesses. Helmi doesn't have any client relationship to the 451 group. I added few references to the article page. Jrisku 18:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Jrisku appears to be the CEO of the company based on his user page, while that isnt a problem it should be noted in relation to this AfD. A quick google search returns 253,000 pages thats a reasonible quantity of hits and lends itself towards notibility. From within wikipedia the article has no links to it from other articles which I would like to know/see how it can contribute to the overall project by supporting other articles. I would also like to hear Jrisku opinion of the article in relation to WP:NOT especially the section on soapbox. Gnangarra 11:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Above note is correct, just thought, that for credibility shake (so that there will be no "hidden agendas" discussion"), I should place my background on user page as well so that everybody know that I'm part of the source (original page was entered by some one else, propably by some one of our US employees). I feel that there could be links from other articles to this one, and I'm quite sure that there will bee soon enough. The thing though is that article is so new, that there hasn't been too much time for links to appear. We're putting significant resources in to use of Open Source community. Obiously, Helmi is a small company compared to IBM and ohter large contributors, but compared the overall resources of Helmi it's very significant, there are 6-8 full time employees involved in to Open Source development all the time (and it's going to grow significantly).Jrisku 11:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment What comes to WP:NOT section on soapbox, I feel that current article tries to be objective. There is facts like locations, employees, history etc. about the company, objective information about state of the product as well as references to some independent sources (there has been hundreds of mentionings about the company in press). The primary reason for the article is not advertizing, but provide company information in relation to open source community. In case you feel that it should be changed some way in regards to quidelines descriped in WP:NOT, the article should be changed such a way. Jrisku 11:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep it appears to be a good faith contribution while the article may have a mild appearance of advertising I think User:Jrisku as a new contributor is genuine in intentions, willing to comply with Wikipedia policies. I'll also adopt the article to improve it according to WP policies. Gnangarra 12:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete apparent corporate autobiography (see Juho Risku on Helmi website). It might try to be onjective but sadly it does not read as such to an outsider. Sorry. Guy 12:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
As said, I'm part of the source and obiously parts of the content / wording is the same as on the web site. The content is provided as a starting point. If it's not objective, please give advice how to change the article and it will be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Jrisku (talk • contribs)
I have edited the lead and history section, though the same information is provided its presented differently now. please revisit the article and offer any suggestion/comments I'll endeavour to include. Gnangarra 13:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Good faith article. So far I've found a couple of non-press release independant articles on this company. [1][2] --Oakshade 04:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.