Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven and Hell (band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 11:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heaven and Hell (band)

Heaven and Hell (band) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

"If all goes well, Heaven and Hell should be hitting the road in early 2007"... Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Nothing but rumours. MER-C 04:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete until all does go well and something more concrete comes of it all. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but remove the speculation - supergroups are inherently notable enough to merit Wikipedia articles per WP:MUSIC. B.Wind 10:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Not sure (yet). (See below.) Unlike most crystal ball articles, this one seems fairly well referenced. The first listed exception to the crystal ball policy says, "if the event is notable and almost certain to take place", then it may deserve an article. This one is certainly notable, so the question then becomes, is it almost certain to take place? That's a fuzzy question. (How almost is almost?) Given that this much better referenced than the average crystal-ball article, I'd like to take some time to investigate before making a final judgement, and I recommend that others study the references to see whether they feel this is "almost certain" before jumping to a conclusion. At least one reference (the one on Tony Iommi's site) seems quite certain this will happen, and I'd expect the participants to know better than anyone. Xtifr _tälk 10:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I have done some editing - much of the speculation was in the formation announcement (which I have now italicised). The rumors have been downplayed somewhat. While the reference to a proposed 2007 tour is crystal ballish, the announcement of the (re)formation is the noteworthy - and pertinent - event. Now that the article is a stub, I hope that it will suffice for the purpose of the AfD. B.Wind 10:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A quick Google News search came up with a number of references to the reunion, including this one [1] in a major US-based daily newspaper. The "crystal ball" clause in WP:NOT begins with: Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. This isn't unverifiable, nor is it speculation. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If this was as unlikely as some of you seem to think, the news would not have been posted on the websites of the three definitely involved. The same announcement appears on the sites of Tony Iommi, Dio and Geezer Butler. If that is not confirmation enough for you, what more do you want? Three official announcements from the official sites of those involved? This reunion (which is quite definitely going to happen) is certainly noteworth enough to be granted its own page on Wikipedia. If this sort of 'what if' mentality was kept for all articles pertaining things in the future, shouldn't they all be deleted, just incase?
• Keep. There are sources from reliable sources such as Associated Press shown on Google News [2] confirming this. It is clearly a notable group with notable members. Capitalistroadster 00:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above.
• Weak keep (superceding "Not Sure" comment above). I honestly still think it's marginal. The reunion will surely be notable if it does take place, but so far all we really have is an expression of desire by the potential participants. Desires, especially among such a small group, can easily change (and indeed, there's been at least one substitution in the planned line-up already). But the expressions of desire seem fairly firm, and it has been picked up and reported by secondary sources (which addresses any verifiability issues). This might be notable (due to secondary coverage) even if it never takes place, which is why I said "keep", but it also might not, which is why I said "weak". Xtifr _tälk 01:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to the album of the same title until there's an actual announcement of a tour or album, and add something about it to Butler, Dio, and Iommi's articles if it's not there already. It's not really notable until it actually happens.
• Keep - Notable collaboration with plenty of cites. - Chadbryant 16:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for now. Citations are valid. Should it not happen then maybe do the "delete and re-direct" thing. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 04:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.